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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...
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Posted on: 2010/11/1 14:44


Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...
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For heaven’s sake Trotter!, I know what the bibliographical (in the purest sense of the word i.e. the printed pages only) variation is. What I’m trying to say is that the characteristics that are often inextricably linked (I, for one, used to think they went hand-in-hand; other comments suggest others think so too) to the two Clowes printing variants...

i.e.
Clowes 1st State
Both errors + cloth boards + headbands + dyed top page edges + unpriced dj
Clowes 2nd State
One error [Ulmo corrected] + paper boards + no headbands + no dyed edges + unpriced dj

--are not linked.

I have a Clowes 1st state copy meeting all of the above points except the boards are paper covered, & it has a priced dj. So all I was basically trying to say was, if you’re searching for a Clowes 1st state & you cannot get the seller to confirm the presence or absence of the errors (sometimes tricky) --the other characteristics on their own are not a guide to the state of the sheets. E.g. if you come across a paper covered Clowes it isn’t necessarily the 2nd state.

BH

Posted on: 2010/11/1 10:57
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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...
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Anyway, my convoluted point is this. Yes, Clowes were probably physically producing their copies chronologically first (after all, Billing copies are printed by “offset lithography” --from the Clowes pages I always assumed...), but factors like whether the dj is priced, the binding is cloth, top page edges are dyed blue, headbands are present etc --are not necessarily factors that help determine whether a particular copy is a “true” (terminology commonly used) ‘Export’ 1st impression or not. There are many, many variants out there. Although, having said this, if there are any radically variant Billing copies out there --I haven’t seen any.

BH


But there is a difference in printing for the Clowes 1/1st, as discussed quite a lot before, the Billings copies are from the first Clowes printing.

http://www.tolkienguide.com/modules/n ... ost_id=3472#forumpost3472

Posted on: 2010/11/1 8:05


Re: What is my best bet for owning an inexpensive Tolkien Signature?
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(3) If the seller won't provide a letter of provenance OR such a letter does not add up, avoid the item. Such a letter is all important to my mind. If it's eBay, check out the seller's feedback and ask the experts here about the item. OK, you will alert others here to the item. But I'd bet that "everyone" already is aware of it. It is, after all, eBay!


Beren as expected is correct here, you need a trustworthy independent source of provenance for the item not a COA from the seller, a letter of provenance only means something if it can be reliably and independently validated.

Posted on: 2010/11/1 7:52



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