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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...
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Get on with it Deagol! (Thanks Dior.)

This is slightly off topic, in my own topic...but, I think the black & white view of export/domestic, in respect to distribution, is decidedly grey; or at least the characteristics that books manifest which supposedly represent these two markets.

Clowes clearly produced priced jackets for their "2nd impression" (so marked); these were clearly, like all impressions, physically produced before publication day. So, any Clowes copy turning up with a priced jacket is hardly surprising; & to add to this, not, as seems assumed (there are several “mixed issue” copies listed on ABE), a later marriage of book & dj that did not originally belong together; switching by owners, or by the publisher. While the latter is possible, and shouldn't be ruled out, I think the Billing dj is purple enough to be distinguishable from most Clowes djs --if this subtle difference can be any distinguishing characteristic at all.

In this case (with dummy copies), it might be assumed, that we must be quite early in the pre-publication process. I always wonder: when these dummy copies were produced how close was the full text to the final publication text? I always guessed that the text was fully complete & that perhaps just the index was being finalised.

Either way, in terms of the books physical make-up, the dummy copies must represent the publisher’s view of the finished product; or at least a very close representation. Clowes must have produced priced djs at this time; or at least priced dummy copies suggest they did. I guess this is not surprising as these would all be mock-ups for UK booksellers & therefore a priced dj would be expected; you could argue an unpriced dj less so.

Recently I bought a review copy given to someone in the UK at, or around, publication time. Unfortunately exactly when this was distributed is unclear. But, supporting what was said above, this was a priced Clowes copy. Again, it was suggested to me, that this copy probably had a priced dj “put on to it” i.e. the original unpriced jacket was removed. But this seems highly unlikely given the evidence from the seller (the original recipient) & the dark blue shade of the dj.

Anyway, my convoluted point is this. Yes, Clowes were probably physically producing their copies chronologically first (after all, Billing copies are printed by “offset lithography” --from the Clowes pages I always assumed...), but factors like whether the dj is priced, the binding is cloth, top page edges are dyed blue, headbands are present etc --are not necessarily factors that help determine whether a particular copy is a “true” (terminology commonly used) ‘Export’ 1st impression or not. There are many, many variants out there. Although, having said this, if there are any radically variant Billing copies out there --I haven’t seen any.

BH

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Re: What is my best bet for owning an inexpensive Tolkien Signature?
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I don't agree on point (3)... if the sellers fakes the autograph he surely will not mind faking the letter of provenance, in fact most people who fake items tend to add a COA. That piece of paper is worth absolutely nothing to me.

Anyways, just my opinion.

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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...
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Hi Khamul,

Herre are the details of my copy:

Printer: Clowes
Binding: Cloth
Durst jacket: priced; £4.95.
Printed: up to page 32
Publisher's imprint: London/George Allen & Unwin Ltd/Boston Sydney.
ISBN: 0048231398
Chapters: 24


Hope this helps
Feel free t oask any other questions

Dior

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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...
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I did mean to check my copy this weekend, but had a bit of a nightmare and it totally went out of my mind. Will try to check tomorrow.

Posted on: 2010/10/31 15:45


Re: What is my best bet for owning an inexpensive Tolkien Signature?
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Hi Qwiniden -

There is some pretty good advice here. Suggest the following:

(1) Educate yourself about the signature. Read over the many threads here, for instance. Knowing the comments of real experts here could save you disappointment (and a lot of money!)

(2) Educate yourself about the market. As Laurel said, supply and demand dictate the price. The cost of a signed book may be different from that of a significant, hand-written letter. Try to figure out what would make you happy or at least be "good enough."

(3) If the seller won't provide a letter of provenance OR such a letter does not add up, avoid the item. Such a letter is all important to my mind. If it's eBay, check out the seller's feedback and ask the experts here about the item. OK, you will alert others here to the item. But I'd bet that "everyone" already is aware of it. It is, after all, eBay!

(4) Ask LOTS of questions of the seller BEFORE you buy. You would certainly be asking many afterwards if you are unhappy with your purchase. So why not do your homework first?

(5) If eBay is too risky, there are certainly experts here with genuine items for sale. Talk to them (suggest you take such discussions off line once you do.) Let them know what you're interested in, see what they have. If they don't currently have what you are most interested in, perhaps they will in the future.

I don't know that the advice in this thread will get you an inexpensive signature (Trotter's comments stand.) But an inexpensive fake is no bargain! Good Luck!

Away from The Green Hill Country,

Parmastahir

Posted on: 2010/10/31 7:29
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