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Re: Super-Deluxe Sigurd & Gudrun
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Does anyone (maybe Beren) have information regarding whether this will be available to U.S customers right out of the gate, or will I have to wait several months as was the case with the signed deluxe CoH?

On another note, I understand what people are saying with regard to HC not providing the best customer experience. I have had numerous emails ignored and have not always been pleased with them myself. It does indeed make sense to wait for deep discounts (30-40% off) and then purchase one copy for yourself. However, I must admit that I am a sucker, and I will likely purchase my copy for full price when it is released. After all, I will make up for spending the extra cash with the profit from selling one of my spare copies of the signed deluxe Children of Hurin!

Posted on: 2009/2/25 14:54


Re: Yet another signed copy
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I hope for Beleg's sake that it is indeed real, and if he is happy with the book, then that is what really matters.

However, in the end, I think that this signature is a bit of a shame. Even if it is real, the fact that we are having this debate means that it will be questioned again in the future. This skeptisism will effect its value every time it comes up for sale - real or not. A lot of serious collectors will not be willing to take the risk on this one, not to mention that it is a somewhat 'messy' signature, making it even less desirable (I tend to place higher value on 'nicer looking' signatures, such as the signed 1987 Super Deluxe Hobbit where 'Christopher Tolkien' is scrawled out in full - as opposed to the Children of Hurin signed 'C.R. Tolkien.')

I always say that an item is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay. I suppose that the current economic climate may be helping to supress the value of this particular item, so maybe when the market improves, it can be sold for a profit. However, I can't imagine that it will ever go as high as a nice clean signing with provenance.

Posted on: 2009/2/25 14:37


Re: Super-Deluxe Sigurd & Gudrun
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(Garm) wrote "you suppose that HC want to sell multiple copies of their books to folk who wait until they can get a heavily discounted price, and then sell on for a huge return? This is HC's core customer base?"

No, they want to sell multiple copies up-front *undiscounted* to people who think they can sell on for a huge return. This absolutely was their core customer base for the SD CoH, and HC exploited this by raising the price of CoH at the last minute (to GBP 350) and then they went through the 10%, 20%, 30% discount phase once the customers at that price had dried up. More recently, they appear to have sold a large number to a reseller for discounted sale.

This all makes sense from a perspective of HC making money from that one book, but not in the long term, because the fan base is very small.

However, I don't believe that customer behaviour will be the same for the new book. I think the sensible ones among us might just buy a single copy of the book at a sensible price because we want a copy for ourselves. In this case, buying later on at a discount makes the best sense.

Stu

Posted on: 2009/2/25 13:20


Re: Super-Deluxe Sigurd & Gudrun
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In my early days of collecting, I bought books simply because I wanted them. Later, I tried buying to sell later on, but it never worked for me. Now, I don't trouble myself with resale values. I buy the books because I want to collect them.

But when do you buy, when they discount by 10%, 20%, 30%, 40% ....... 80% because the book does not sell? The number of the book only matters if you are interested in resale value. I'd be very happy to have a book for my collection, not resale, at an enormous discount.

Posted on: 2009/2/25 12:16


Re: Yet another signed copy
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Beren, Jlong & All,

I too emailed the seller early on for a larger scan of the signature, to no avail. The excuse was illness, yet the seller continued to post new and lengthy ebay listings, quite a feat for someone so bed ridden. When I pressured the seller he got testy and threatened to pull the listing, which of course he wasn't about to. Surprisingly, for the signature to be deemed such a fake it pulled in numerous bidders, 9 in all, one with a rating over 6,000 & another over 11,000.

The appalling behavior of the seller really irked me, so fake or not, I wanted a closer look and resolved to win the auction. I've since received the book, and have scanned a hi-res image into Photoshop and am no longer convinced the signature to be a fake. There are minute pen strokes and details that are very revealing in the blown up image, which can not be seen in the ebay scan.

It's my opinion that Prof Tolkien was perhaps taken by the moment and two things worked against him in this particular signing, and.. I'm sure he was completely aghast when the ink drop left his pen and blotted out his "e". The 2 factors that spoiled this signing was the pen he used, and the very course texture of the paper. The paper was course and the pen snagged on paper fibers at several points and because of the rough texture the ink flow to the paper was not consistent, this is why the double stroke on the "J". As he was signing T-o-l-k his pen tip lost it's flow (prime) and with his letters beginning to lighten, when he finished that wonderful flare in his "K", he shook his pen to prime the point again and the tip didn't stop the on-rush off ink and he obliterated his "e". Highly magnified, the signature takes on a much better understanding, the partial missing stoke can even be seen in the 'T".

I am not a hand writing expert to any degree, I'm sure there are many here who are better qualified than I to judge the authenticity of a Tolkien signature. But, to me this signature is certainly genuine, and is indeed from the hand of the master himself. I have posted a hi-res scan of the signature for anyone who's interested, or may have requested it and did not receive it. All comments welcome.

Beleg

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Posted on: 2009/2/25 10:23
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