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Re: CoH Bookplates from UK Waterstones Launch: Quality?
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Your copy of the book-plate is the same as the two that I have, one in a Standard Copy and one in Deluxe Copy, my copies were both bought directly from Waterstones on the first day of issue.

The US copies have the book-plate on the half-title page of the book (under The Children of Húrin), with Christopher's signature in the top left hand corned, Alan Lee signed in the bottom right corner.

It was intended that the same thing happen at the UK Launch, so again Christopher's signature is in the top left hand corner, in pretty much the same place on both my copies. Waterstone's staff stuck in the stickers on the day, which is how they got into Deluxe Books as well as Trade Editions and I suspect that they were meant to stick them onto the half-title Page like the US copies, but they did not. All UK copies are stuck on the grey end-paper at the very start of the book, round about in the middle of the page.

Alan Lee also signed some of the book-plates, but I asked him to sign in his customary signing position under and too the right of "Illustrated by Alan Lee" on the title page. You don't mention Alan's signature but it should also be signed by him, either on the book-plate or title page as he signed every copy with a book-plate.

Your description of the book-plate corresponds with both of mine, the fake bookplates were scanned or photocopied and as such are less clear. The signature in particular is a very sharp black ink signature in the real book-plates and is not the same when copied.

Andrew

Posted on: 2009/2/16 11:16


CoH Bookplates from UK Waterstones Launch: Quality?
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I know this was widely discussed at the time; but having trawled back thro' the threads there are unfortunately no images of bookplates, suspected forgeries etc imbedded in the threads.

Can anyone with their own bookplated UK CoH (especially the standards hardback) comment (or even better post an image) on the positioning of Christopher's signature on the bookplate & the print quality of the border and helm.

I've just bought a copy from a reputible dealer; but I want to check this out now while I still have the opportunity to return it.

In this copy the signature looks fine, and is positioned in the top left corner. It is solid black, and even under a magnifying glass there is no sign of any break up in the colour.

But having not seen the bookplate itself in any other copies, I'm a little worried about its appearance. The border is grey. On examination with a magnifying glass it is cleary (like I'd imagine all copied images) made up of horizontal black lines; which are themselves made of strings of little back dots.

The helm is certainly black, but nowhere near as black as the signature. Under a magnifying glass (this is even visible with the naked eye if you look closely) the black areas of the helm (e.g. like the celtic-like motif on the jaw part of the helm) are clearly made from (again) horizontal black lines; uniformely black this time, no dotting. It measure ~26mm (the helm) at its longest point i.e. from the very point of the jaw part to the spikes on the dragons back.

Can anyone confirm whether this is indeed how the bookplate appears in their copy? I'd imagine that the genuine bookplates are in themselves not of the best of quality. But, does anyone remember how good/bad suspected fakes were? I expected the helm to be a lot darker & blacker than the copy I have appears. The photographs don't really capture what I'm describing that well. (The helm photo has actually come out quite poor.)

Also where is the bookplate positioned in UK St. Hb copies? In my copy it is on the grey endpaper, not on the half-title page as I have seen in some copies. I can't remember the details at the time hence all the questions. I know for fact that Trotter was at the Waterstones UK launch!

Information sought.

BH

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Posted on: 2009/2/16 4:21
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Re: Is there no consistancy in Hardcovers?
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Pricey indeed. I was in on the bidding too! But, too rich for me at present. There have definitely (altho' not many) been a couple come up on eBay over the years, and I'm pretty sure they were in the Stu range (<£100 anyway); hopefully a copy can be obtained for less than three figures. Thinking of selling Stu?

BH

Posted on: 2009/2/16 3:08
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Re: Is there no consistancy in Hardcovers?
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129 Pounds. Yikes!

Still, at least you have acquired it! I suspect it is by far the least common volume in the UK HoME style of cover.

Stu

Posted on: 2009/2/15 17:00


Re: Is there no consistancy in Hardcovers?
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>I find this book impossible to get hold of. In fact I think they only printed 5 copies to tease collectors like me

>It's was the hardest book to find in my collection. It becamse a kind of holy grail, as it took me several years to find a copy. If I hadn't seen a picture of it, I wouldn't have believed it existed! When I did find it, I was lucky enough to get an unread copy in near perfect condition. It cost 40 pounds, which was seemed fair given its rarity. I would love to know how many copies were printed.

They do exist, I have just got a copy from eBay, wish it only cost £40 though

Does anyone know how many of this edition was printed?

Posted on: 2009/2/15 12:01



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