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Re: Super-Deluxe Sigurd & Gudrun
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(Garm) wrote "you suppose that HC want to sell multiple copies of their books to folk who wait until they can get a heavily discounted price, and then sell on for a huge return? This is HC's core customer base?"

No, they want to sell multiple copies up-front *undiscounted* to people who think they can sell on for a huge return. This absolutely was their core customer base for the SD CoH, and HC exploited this by raising the price of CoH at the last minute (to GBP 350) and then they went through the 10%, 20%, 30% discount phase once the customers at that price had dried up. More recently, they appear to have sold a large number to a reseller for discounted sale.

This all makes sense from a perspective of HC making money from that one book, but not in the long term, because the fan base is very small.

However, I don't believe that customer behaviour will be the same for the new book. I think the sensible ones among us might just buy a single copy of the book at a sensible price because we want a copy for ourselves. In this case, buying later on at a discount makes the best sense.

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Posted on: 2009/2/25 13:20


Re: Super-Deluxe Sigurd & Gudrun
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In my early days of collecting, I bought books simply because I wanted them. Later, I tried buying to sell later on, but it never worked for me. Now, I don't trouble myself with resale values. I buy the books because I want to collect them.

But when do you buy, when they discount by 10%, 20%, 30%, 40% ....... 80% because the book does not sell? The number of the book only matters if you are interested in resale value. I'd be very happy to have a book for my collection, not resale, at an enormous discount.

Posted on: 2009/2/25 12:16


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Beren, Jlong & All,

I too emailed the seller early on for a larger scan of the signature, to no avail. The excuse was illness, yet the seller continued to post new and lengthy ebay listings, quite a feat for someone so bed ridden. When I pressured the seller he got testy and threatened to pull the listing, which of course he wasn't about to. Surprisingly, for the signature to be deemed such a fake it pulled in numerous bidders, 9 in all, one with a rating over 6,000 & another over 11,000.

The appalling behavior of the seller really irked me, so fake or not, I wanted a closer look and resolved to win the auction. I've since received the book, and have scanned a hi-res image into Photoshop and am no longer convinced the signature to be a fake. There are minute pen strokes and details that are very revealing in the blown up image, which can not be seen in the ebay scan.

It's my opinion that Prof Tolkien was perhaps taken by the moment and two things worked against him in this particular signing, and.. I'm sure he was completely aghast when the ink drop left his pen and blotted out his "e". The 2 factors that spoiled this signing was the pen he used, and the very course texture of the paper. The paper was course and the pen snagged on paper fibers at several points and because of the rough texture the ink flow to the paper was not consistent, this is why the double stroke on the "J". As he was signing T-o-l-k his pen tip lost it's flow (prime) and with his letters beginning to lighten, when he finished that wonderful flare in his "K", he shook his pen to prime the point again and the tip didn't stop the on-rush off ink and he obliterated his "e". Highly magnified, the signature takes on a much better understanding, the partial missing stoke can even be seen in the 'T".

I am not a hand writing expert to any degree, I'm sure there are many here who are better qualified than I to judge the authenticity of a Tolkien signature. But, to me this signature is certainly genuine, and is indeed from the hand of the master himself. I have posted a hi-res scan of the signature for anyone who's interested, or may have requested it and did not receive it. All comments welcome.

Beleg

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Posted on: 2009/2/25 10:23
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"The only reason why CoH has sold (perhaps) two-thirds or so of the print-run is that we - as a small group of collectors - have purchased multiple copies in the crazy belief that some powerful marketplace for them (that clearly doesn't exist at present) will spring into existence and give us a huge return. We actually only have ourselves to blame, really. Who do we think is ever going to buy this huge reserve of second copies off us?

If HC do release this as 500 copy edition, I personally see taking a stand on this book (by not purchasing it) as sending a message to HC that they need to treat their core customer base rather better than they have thus far."


- you suppose that HC want to sell multiple copies of their books to folk who wait until they can get a heavily discounted price, and then sell on for a huge return? This is HC's core customer base?

In my early days of collecting, I bought books simply because I wanted them. Later, I tried buying to sell later on, but it never worked for me. Now, I don't trouble myself with resale values. I buy the books because I want to collect them.

Posted on: 2009/2/25 7:43


Re: Super-Deluxe Sigurd & Gudrun
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I seem to remember an article somewhere with David Brawn, where he was asked why HarperCollins had not issued a Deluxe (not Super-Deluxe) edition of Unfinished Tales. They did not think there was a big enough market for the book.

In the case of the new book, I agree with Stu in that people bought multiple copies of COH as investments, which turned out to be very poor investments because of the discounting that they did.

Collectors and dealers are not going to do the same thing with this new book, people will be very wary about buying multiple copies, or even single copies at full price.

If Unfinished Tales is not right for a Deluxe edition (I disagree and think it is) then this is not the right title for a Super-Deluxe Edition, they should have just done a Trade and Deluxe.

Posted on: 2009/2/24 22:49



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