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Re: Signed Silmarillions
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The first auction (seller: bibliology) is for the same copy that I posted a thread about back in May. (The present auction has now finished with no takers.)

John & Priscilla Signed Silmarillion on eBay...

I can't remember the seller (nobody familiar), but evidently it was purchased by bibliology at that time: price was £157. That seller answered questions quite honestly; the opening price was pretty low if I recall; and the seller was at Oxenmoot themselves.

This gene--ius auction is indeed very suspicious. Firstly they're nearly identical. Secondly, look at the sellers rating and other two auctions: both local pick-up, with dubious return policy. I think this is a fake. In reply to how the signing came about seller replied:

Unfortunately I cannot be too sure as it was my grandfather who got them signed and he has passed on but I believe it was at Oxenmoot in 1977 which seems to be a yearly meeting for the tolkien society in the UK which he was a part of. I hope that answers your question.
- gene--ius


Seems very convenient.

On looking at the signatures themselves: John Tolkien's signature is very similar in both. However the suspect Priscilla signature is slightly different: the P is slightly laboured; the two l's are joined; and the k is lost in 'Tolkien'. The red pen is also unusual. And if you follow that this is a fake then I suspect after doing Priscilla's in blue (like the bibliology one) the seller decided that black would be too exact, and having no other colour (that would be likely) did John's in red.

Although in saying all this, often when one appears on eBay, another (genuine auction) follows shortly after.

BH

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Posted on: 2009/10/5 2:33
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Re: Signed Silmarillions
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I have several items signed by both Priscilla and Fr. John. Allowing for the problems of viewing through a PC, I'd say the first one looks ok to me. The second one rings some warning bells:

- What are the odds that two almost identical (and rare) articles should appear on ebay at the same time?

- The signatures in the second copy look identical to those in the first; not always a good sign!

- Both articles are said to be from 'Oxenmoot'. In the first, that's based on a mis-reading of Fr. John's writing. But I'd guess the second sales pitch is simply aping the first, and so I'd be very wary of that one.

Posted on: 2009/10/4 10:18


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"So, while I was at the Wade (but not as a result of my being there), I found out that Arne Zettersten's long-awaited memoir of JRRT has now been published. Unfortunately, it's in Swedish, a language I don't speak or read. I had assumed it would be in either English (the language of most of Tolkien's readership) or Danish (the author being a professor at the University of Copenhagen). So, here's hoping for an English translation."

http://sacnoths.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-friend-ronald.html

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Yes, you are correct, not sure why I did that. By the way, the book arrived yesterday. The signature looks authentic to me. The ink appears old and faded like the page of the book it's signed on. Also, weren't American editions of the Lord of the Rings also sold in Europe? I realise there are many doubts about signed items on Ebay (and for good reason) but this signature matches very closely with another one I own with excellent prevenance from the original owner. This particular signature has an opening at the bottom of the J which can be seen on some example images of Tolkien's signature available on the Internet. Here are some images I took of the signature this morning.

http://img28.imageshack.us/i/dsc03190d.jpg/][IMG]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3566/dsc03190d.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/i/dsc03191.jpg/][IMG]http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7041/dsc03191.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/i/dsc03192p.jpg/][IMG]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5571/dsc03192p.jpg

Here is an image of the signature on a letter from 1964 I own with provenance from the original owner:

http://img406.imageshack.us/i/dsc03194h.jpg/][IMG]http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9206/dsc03194h.jpg

If the former signature is a forgery it looks to have been done very well and a very long time ago. Looking forward to everyone's opinion and thanks for the advice and help offered in this forum.

Jim.

Posted on: 2009/10/3 8:14



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