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Re: The wonders of eBay
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It is funny (not ha-ha funny) but it occurs to me:

My understanding is that the estate controls the publication rights for Tolkien's materials (published books, manuscripts, letters, artwork, etc.) but not the materials themselves (owned by Marquette, Wade, Bodleian, private collectors, etc.) The owners of the originals may sell, trade, give away, display as much as they please, but cannot reproduce the item for publication without permission.

So technically, the Estate may have some ground to prevent the publication of a real letter in an auction catalog or website (though clearly there is some fair use grounds here), but what grounds would they have to prevent the auction listing for a fraudulent letter?

It is against the law to sell fraudulent artwork, but that has no bearing on the Estate. The Estate cannot have copyright control over something that is not produced by Tolkien! They can push to prosecute a fraudulent seller, but so can anyone else. Perhaps they can be considered a strong authority on whether a particular item is fake or not, but eBay has shown that they don't really care - they get more profit (listing and sale fees) the more frauds that sell...

http://reviews.ebay.com/Scam-Alert-eB ... 0QQugidZ10000000001451263

Posted on: 2010/11/30 21:45
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The same letter was offered on eBay almost a year ago by "classic_art_uk". We commented in this thread.

Here's an opportunity to buy a "Tolkien" signature for cheap!

Last year, the bidding started at $800, with Buy It Now at $1,500, versus the current $599.99 and $699.99.

It is sad to see that The Tolkien Estate have no problem with fake Tolkien signatures being sold, as they do nothing to stop them.

It's unfair to say that Estate "have no problem" with this, since none of us is privy to the many actions they take quietly and privately - in so far as they can take them. (Is a fake Tolkien letter a fraud against the Estate, or against whomever is foolish enough to buy it?)

Wayne & Christina

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He does not have any incentive to stop as he always sells the fakes. He will carry on indefinitely.

It is sad to see that The Tolkien Estate have no problem with fake Tolkien signatures being sold, as they do nothing to stop them,

Posted on: 2010/11/30 8:50

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Here's an opportunity to buy a "Tolkien" signature for cheap!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Personal-Letter-J ... tible&hash=item2eb1ae218b

I guess this guy will never stop.


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Hello, All. I am listing a few interesting Tolkien books for sale on Ebay right now, and I will be adding a few more in the next day or so. Please take a look when you get a chance. Also feel free to PM me if interested in any of my offerings. I am always happy to deal outside of ebay.

P.S. If anyone finds serious errors or typos in my listings, please let me know. Using one auction as a template and editing it for additional auctions usually is a recipe for mistakes. Thanks in advance!


http://shop.ebay.co.uk/alpinebooks/m. ... from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

Posted on: 2010/11/29 16:54

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