Login

Or
Register Now


Already have an account?
Username:

Password:

Remember me

Lost Your Password?
Main Menu
Collector's Guide Table of Contents
Recent Visitors

Khamûl
3 minutes ago

Findegil
2 hours 43 minutes ago

wellinghall
2 hours 48 minutes ago

kanwal
3 hours 38 minutes ago

Stu
5 hours 26 minutes ago

laurel
6 hours 45 minutes ago

Trotter
6 hours 48 minutes ago

Karl
11 hours 17 minutes ago


« 1 ... 1770 1771 1772 (1773) 1774 1775 1776 ... 2091 »


Re: Tolkien signature
Thain
Joined:
2006/5/26 20:36
From California, USA
Group:
Thain
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Posts: 1203
Offline
thanks for the input, Beren, and I agree with you about not wanting to bid on this particular book.

Just because this thread will long outlast the eBay auction, I am including the image of the signature here for posterity.

Attach file:



jpg  signature.JPG (11.73 KB)
1_48d95bf36781f.jpg 300X400 px

Posted on: 2008/9/23 14:13
_________________
- Jeremy


Re: Tolkien signature
Home away from home
Joined:
2006/6/2 14:15
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Posts: 344
Offline
i did not bid on the book because of that... without provenance a book that confuses me so much is not worth a lot. Especially if you ever wish to re-sell it and hold up your credibility as a seller.

Posted on: 2008/9/23 12:37


Re: Tolkien signature
Shirrif
Joined:
2006/6/5 22:04
From Essex, England
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1529
Offline
I do not know about the signature but I think as has been pointed out before,

"happy to sell cheap cos no provenance"

Provenance is becoming vital with Tolkien signatures

Posted on: 2008/9/23 12:25


Re: Tolkien signature
Home away from home
Joined:
2006/6/2 14:15
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Posts: 344
Offline
This book is normally part of a multiple volume set of "der grüne heinrich" by gottfried keller. This is volume IV.

As far as I know this is a very strange combination. First because the other volumes are not there, and I have not seen any others before.
The text written in there is not Tolkien's, the authograph looks genuine... it is a late autograph from around 1954 up to 1959, while the book should be about 30 years older.

Tolkien did visit Queen's College at highstreet and did go to eat there once in a while, but why would he sign volume IV under a text of someone else?

The signature itself has some issues as well. First the three dots are pointing in the wrong direction, normally Tolkien's autographs always flows towards the rights and the dots are either 'dots' or tend to move towards the right (starting with the dot and twisting a little towards the right). The 'ien' also shows a strange curl backwords in the n, which most of the time shows up in forgeries because of a stop there. Tolkien would always write (in this period autographs) the 'ien' in one vertical movement without a stop and the n would always be fast.

The line under the autograph is kind of tricky as well, since Tolkien would start up right and move backwords, ending in a tip at the end. Why does it look to do exactly the opposite. I should have a close-up really to tell you if it is genuine or fake.

Rowns, Tolkien has signed several books from his library with this pre-1966 signature, which begins to flow but is not his final signature. It is his autograph that would in the end become his flowing one he used for singing the Tolkien related books. So, that is not an issue here.

I'm very sceptic about this signature and must conclude that either it is a very good fake (the JRR and the Tolk are perfect), and if a fake it is a copy of a fascimile signature, or it is a genuine signature... and Tolkien did not feel like signing the book (and this resulted in the tiny flaws in the autograph).

Ok this is my opinion, if I had better close-ups I would be able to tell more.

Posted on: 2008/9/23 12:15


Re: Tolkien signature
Thain
Joined:
2006/5/26 20:36
From California, USA
Group:
Thain
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Posts: 1203
Offline
The signature looks ok to me, but I must say that this is the first time that I have ever seen his "fan" signature on a scholarly book. He had an "ownership" signature for books in his own library that looked nothing like this.

So the question in my mind is, why would he sign a book like this for a fan? If he didn't have a problem with this, why aren't there more random books (not written by him) signed like this?

Just trying to get some more interesting debate going about this - anyone else seen similar signed books?

Posted on: 2008/9/23 11:06
_________________
- Jeremy



 Top
« 1 ... 1770 1771 1772 (1773) 1774 1775 1776 ... 2091 »