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Re: Tolkien Signatures on eBay???
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These are the letters that David Miller withdrew from sale last year after problems with the text and signature.

They are remarkably similiar to the "Higgins" and "Hooper" letters and I suspect all these "letters" could all be done by the same person, and I am sure that is not Tolkien.

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Posted on: 2009/11/18 22:59


Re: Tolkien Signatures on eBay???
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"Collector wrote:

Trotter, I dont know about ebay, I never was there. But it is very dificult to fake a book or a letter from 1968, I never bought a letter/book looking a simple picture, I need to study them."

I didn't mention eBay but it is actually very easy to fake a signature or letter from 1968 and has been done numerous times. Some fakes are very convincing and can even fool hand-writing experts.

An example is the "Hitler Diaries" where three independent handwriting experts claimed that the signatures were genuine. The forger in this case went to a lot more trouble than the "Higgins" letters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries

Look at this article about collecting Tolkien Signatures.

http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/fascimilesignatures.htm

"Collector wrote:

Garm, Dr. Higgings was the family doctor of Tolkiens family, and a personal friend. If you never heard about him....

Say no more..."

It looks like everyone apart from you is in the "never heard about him...." category. Please can you tell me where to find out any information about him that links him to Tolkien or even that he ever existed?

Posted on: 2009/11/17 7:22


Re: Tolkien Signatures on eBay???
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Collector wrote:

"long, if you are skeptical about these "Higgins" you have not too much idea about Tolkiens life. These letters are original. Dr. Higgings was his family doctor and they gone several times on holidays to Milford."

Apart from the fact that the evidence for "Dr Higgings" (sic) as Tolkien's family doctor is very thin. Was he a GP, what was his practice, where did he live (it is convenient that these eBay letters do not have any envelopes)?

And the problem that Wayne and Christina have mentioned that the letter-headed paper has the wrong letter-head and none are dated. Why would Tolkien type one line of text and then hand sign it? Surely he would hand write the whole text and sign it (much harder to fake though).

I can see no provenance for these letters so have to believe that they, like a lot of 'signed' Tolkien material, are fakes.

Posted on: 2009/11/16 22:48


Re: 1991 HarperCollins Hardback Slipcase Lord of the Rings
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Thinking about the fact that all the copies (up to now) that anyone has seen are the smaller widths, could the larger set be a HarperCollins Proof set which was subsequently rejected for the smaller size slipcase.

The books are all priced and both the covers and bindings are identical apart from width. I don't have them in front of me at the moment but the internal printed sheets looked identical, but I'll check them again.

I'm going to measure the width of each of the books tonight, difficult as there is not much difference in size.

Posted on: 2009/11/9 6:31


Re: 1991 HarperCollins Hardback Slipcase Lord of the Rings
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Khamul wrote

Was that the £97 set off eBay Trotter?

J R R TOLKIEN LORD OF THE RINGS CENTENARY EDITION 1991

BH


It was and much cheaper than the original listing which I mentioned in the Wonders of eBay thread as the books are upside down in the picture

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/J-R-R-TOLKIEN-L ... b1cc&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Posted on: 2009/11/8 22:15



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