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Indeed Garm, very odd... maybe the copyright page is no longer there?
Haha Trotter, so true! O well, I must have made the same mistake before I suppose. But then again, ebay is such a fabulous place where the strangest things can happen.

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Thanks for sharing Trotter...

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Which they did not up to the 1994 and earlier editions (but were well aware of them), but did so immediately when someone bound the sheets that had not been sold under the 'verbal' arrangements made with Priscilla Tolkien. And this was halted rather quickly. Some may recall this action.

I believe Findegil sums up the history quit well (Thanks so much!). I was however not aware of the Aiglos interview (which I find interesting, but somehow find the answer by Alex Lewis kind of harsh towards copyright). Maybe it is a good thing the Tolkien Estate did an update of their legal texts!

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I believe Garm that you are indeed well informed about these books and probably have the original hand-outs that tells all about these Alex Lewis editions.

There is however a lot of judging going on here on these boards. A lot of things are being said here without looking into it deeper - or even just out of 'we don't like this - so all is bad attitude'. (this is not you or anyone else I'm talking about Garm, it is the feeling I get when reading many posts,...).

Like whenever the name 'Tale of Gondolin' is mentioned there is a lot of "boooh' screaming going on. Ok, maybe it is a fan piece and maybe most don't like it, and some even know about 'reviewing your own books' story, but back then it was well known that all profit made from these books was used to present a gift to Christopher Tolkien. Anyways,.. you know all that and a lot has changed since then. For example Priscilla Tolkien does no longer come to Oxonmoot and you can only contact Tolkien Estate to obtain permissions.

As for seeking permissions... this board is one of the most beautiful examples of not seeking permission to publish or reproduce unpublished material on a regular basis. So far as I know, I have been in constant contact with the Tolkien Estate to seek permissions to reproduce things for my website and aiding others to receive permissions to get things published (Oliphaunt print, 3-minute Tolkien, Frisian and Marathi translations, The Inklings of Oxford, Cor Blok, ... ). Sometimes it works out and sometimes not.

For example it was not my site who published the English translation of the Christopher Tolkien interview from le Monde, since we did not obtain permissions. A lot of work was done by some of the better translators in the field of Tolkien (still thanking them for all the effort and time), but we did not get permission... so were sad to see someone else to publish a translation. We did not complain or make public shouts about it, we did not even doubt publicly if the other person who published it did have permission or not. Maybe they had obtained permission after all? We cannot know...

And I have indeed had some cases where I was contacted by the Tolkien Estate to remove something (like for example a cover from Children of Hurin, an article that I was not allowed to sell / promote, ... ) and I did so right away.

No person is perfect and sometimes makes a mistake. I'm not here to defend myself or to judge anyone (I even hate to have to write this answer here). I'm here to discuss about my love for Tolkien books and collecting. I only notice a very black & white mentality and there is no need for that. We are all here because we love all things Tolkien! I hope we can agree to that?!

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Well they were allowed to be produced and were allowed to be sold by The Tolkien Estate... not only one time time but two times. Also they were being sold to people from the Tolkien Society and even better all profits were used to give a present to Christopher Tolkien, who also accepted a copy (think also Priscilla but not certain - writing out of memory here). I still have the small three booklets of the first publication and the later one single volume.

Not all copies sold, or were bound, so one day one clever bookseller saw a chance to bind them and sell them. This was however stopped by the Tolkien Estate, since indeed he did not have a permission to do so. It is a good thing that they can allow and can stop things to happen. But it is unfair to say that there was no permission to produce or sell the book when there was indeed permission to do so... just because of what happened many many years later. Please inform yourselves a little. The ins and outs are quit important especially when speaking about people who are around and did so much for the Tolkien fan community and society.

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