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Re: Discussion forum problem
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Morgan wrote:
Well, not really a problem, but what appears to be a technical glitch: is it only me, or does it happen to others that the forum sometimes looks different? That is, lacking parts of the layout (e.g., not displaying the number of edits).


I can't say that I have noticed it.

Posted on: 2012/7/15 15:52


Re: CT 2012 French Language Article/Interview in Le Monde
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We should be careful not to put our own interpretations of the words as fact. What he says as I understand it is not that the movies will harm the books or make them dissapear, but that he doesn't consider the movies to be very accurate representations of the books. Either way the comments is about the movies.


The (translated) article that I read implies very strongly that CTs view is that the movies harm the books and Tolkien's Legacy.

For example, the following quote is attributed to CT: "The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has gone too far for me. Such commercialisation has reduced the esthetic and philosophical impact of this creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: turning my head away."

The above quote could indeed be taken as "The movies in and of themselves have no aesthetic or philosophical impact", but that certainly isn't how most people seem to have read it (judging by the various comments on various fora). It has widely been read as "The movies and commercialisation have reduced the value of the original work to nothing".

It may be that the article is ambiguous (or the translation is ambiguous), unfortunately. Readers can only go on the words that are written...

Posted on: 2012/7/15 15:40


Re: CT 2012 French Language Article/Interview in Le Monde
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I do have to agree with something said/implied by Christopher, and echoed on the Mythopoeic Society discussion groups and elsewhere:

The mental landscape (the inner vision, imaginations, whatever) of readers of the books, has forever been altered by the movies. Fan art post-PJ is almost all movie derived imagery, for example. For myself, I have to fight my inner voice when reading, even when it is saying innocuous things like "this is written so much better than what the movie showed for this scene." Shut up, voice! Of course it is, now stop distracting me from the story.


That is, of course, the danger with any adaptation. The answer is just to not see the movies, really. I haven't seem them since the RoTK DVD set came out, and have no plans on ever seeing them again. Nor will I go and see the Hobbit movies. I am actually very fortunate to have been "inoculated" at an early age with the BBC Radio Dramatisation of LoTR*, and those are largely the voices in my head when I read the books. Sir Michael Hordern IS Gandalf.


I do believe that there will be LOTR (and Hobbit) readers into the next century, whose imaginative vistas will be unspoiled by PJ imagery as those moves age, the effects become dated, and the tastes of film-goers evolve.

At that point, the movie remakes will come out.


It isn't really PJ imagery, it is Lee/Howe + NZ imagery , so I blame them (except for NZ - it seems a bit harsh to blame an entire country)! The movies look pretty, but my imagination is stronger than their art, which I find a bit tedious (due to overexposure), to be honest.

* WARNING:: Don't accidentally inoculate yourself with the BBC Dramatisation of the Hobbit or you will have to kill yourself. Gandaaaalf, Indeed.

Posted on: 2012/7/12 18:05


Re: CT 2012 French Language Article/Interview in Le Monde
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Reading the article, it does amuse me how upset the Estate gets about the Movies (beyond the Hollywood execs trying to stiff them, that is!). The existence of the movies (which I personally detested) doesn't change the content of the books at all (and besides, the Estate does seem happy to allow the publication of lucrative film tie-in editions that further cement the relationship between the books and the films. This seems like hypocrisy to me).

CT needs to have more faith in the books and their ability to stand the test of time, I think. Or perhaps he needs to have more faith in the readers. Either way. The books haven't changed, they haven't become something else because JRRT *sold* the rights to have them turned into all manner of crap including the movies.

Really, the Estate do need to get some perspective. Tolkien wasn't an Albert Einstein or Leonardo Da-Vinci. He was a man who was skilled with languages and wrote a relatively small number of (publisher-friendly) stories that have divided opinion since they were published and will continue to do so.

Philosophical Impact? Maybe the Estate should just be happy with how many books they have sold and how many people have *enjoyed them*. Personally, I can't imagine there will ever be a book that I enjoy more than the LoTR. But I certainly don't think it is "important" or philosophically relevant (and the movies haven't influenced my thinking on that). No disrespect to CT, but I think he has been so entrenched in his father's work that he has lost perspective of what matters.

Posted on: 2012/7/12 3:16


Re: 4-Book Tolkien Deluxe Edition Collection Set from HC
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laurel wrote:
Hi Laurin
Welcome. A few members do have shops and are more regular sellers and am sure can quote you some figures.
These sets come onto ebay every now and again although i sometimes feel the best bet is to get them individually unless yo ureally want the box?



I would say get them individually - I have the boxed set and I don't even have it on my shelves (and never bothered removing books from wrap). The "slipcase with slipcases in it" just looks odd next to other books, so I kept the individual books that I already had on my shelves, instead. I bought the boxed set when it could be had from HC for 140, so it wasn't too badly priced, but given that the CoH is worth next to nothing, you should be able to do cheaper, I think.

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