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Re: CT 2012 French Language Article/Interview in Le Monde
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Urulókë wrote:
I do have to agree with something said/implied by Christopher, and echoed on the Mythopoeic Society discussion groups and elsewhere:

The mental landscape (the inner vision, imaginations, whatever) of readers of the books, has forever been altered by the movies. Fan art post-PJ is almost all movie derived imagery, for example. For myself, I have to fight my inner voice when reading, even when it is saying innocuous things like "this is written so much better than what the movie showed for this scene." Shut up, voice! Of course it is, now stop distracting me from the story.


That is, of course, the danger with any adaptation. The answer is just to not see the movies, really. I haven't seem them since the RoTK DVD set came out, and have no plans on ever seeing them again. Nor will I go and see the Hobbit movies. I am actually very fortunate to have been "inoculated" at an early age with the BBC Radio Dramatisation of LoTR*, and those are largely the voices in my head when I read the books. Sir Michael Hordern IS Gandalf.


I do believe that there will be LOTR (and Hobbit) readers into the next century, whose imaginative vistas will be unspoiled by PJ imagery as those moves age, the effects become dated, and the tastes of film-goers evolve.

At that point, the movie remakes will come out.


It isn't really PJ imagery, it is Lee/Howe + NZ imagery , so I blame them (except for NZ - it seems a bit harsh to blame an entire country)! The movies look pretty, but my imagination is stronger than their art, which I find a bit tedious (due to overexposure), to be honest.

* WARNING:: Don't accidentally inoculate yourself with the BBC Dramatisation of the Hobbit or you will have to kill yourself. Gandaaaalf, Indeed.

Posted on: 2012/7/12 18:05


Re: CT 2012 French Language Article/Interview in Le Monde
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Reading the article, it does amuse me how upset the Estate gets about the Movies (beyond the Hollywood execs trying to stiff them, that is!). The existence of the movies (which I personally detested) doesn't change the content of the books at all (and besides, the Estate does seem happy to allow the publication of lucrative film tie-in editions that further cement the relationship between the books and the films. This seems like hypocrisy to me).

CT needs to have more faith in the books and their ability to stand the test of time, I think. Or perhaps he needs to have more faith in the readers. Either way. The books haven't changed, they haven't become something else because JRRT *sold* the rights to have them turned into all manner of crap including the movies.

Really, the Estate do need to get some perspective. Tolkien wasn't an Albert Einstein or Leonardo Da-Vinci. He was a man who was skilled with languages and wrote a relatively small number of (publisher-friendly) stories that have divided opinion since they were published and will continue to do so.

Philosophical Impact? Maybe the Estate should just be happy with how many books they have sold and how many people have *enjoyed them*. Personally, I can't imagine there will ever be a book that I enjoy more than the LoTR. But I certainly don't think it is "important" or philosophically relevant (and the movies haven't influenced my thinking on that). No disrespect to CT, but I think he has been so entrenched in his father's work that he has lost perspective of what matters.

Posted on: 2012/7/12 3:16


Re: 4-Book Tolkien Deluxe Edition Collection Set from HC
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laurel wrote:
Hi Laurin
Welcome. A few members do have shops and are more regular sellers and am sure can quote you some figures.
These sets come onto ebay every now and again although i sometimes feel the best bet is to get them individually unless yo ureally want the box?



I would say get them individually - I have the boxed set and I don't even have it on my shelves (and never bothered removing books from wrap). The "slipcase with slipcases in it" just looks odd next to other books, so I kept the individual books that I already had on my shelves, instead. I bought the boxed set when it could be had from HC for 140, so it wasn't too badly priced, but given that the CoH is worth next to nothing, you should be able to do cheaper, I think.

Posted on: 2012/7/10 16:01


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Khamul wrote:
There is just no sensible justification for PoME going for £250+ & MR (now) trading at comfortably under £100 --although I've no doubt it will sell for this kind of price, prices have been dropping for PoME and WotR in recent times. The pulping story is a myth; David Brawn has confirmed this. Your observation about there being more unpriced copies is what I've seen too. Priced copies are definitely less common (--on eBay at least). I don't have either PoME or WotJ, so this is why I'm so narked at these high prices! (--they've got to keep dropping...)

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P.S. I intend holding out for a copy for under £200. Quite a few have gone for less in recent auctions.



I think I paid about GBP 190-ish (based on the exchange rate at the time) for my priced copy last year (and I've had the unpriced one for years). I can't see value in these books much above that. Prices seem to be dropping and availability is increasing all the time. The only question is whether the Hobbit movie will drive prices up across the board like last time, I guess.

PoME isn't really rare (the print run being only very marginally less than WoTJ), and I'm not even sure that there are actually less priced copies than unpriced, based on the evidence (2525 copies for the trade + 1565 for the BCA). I guess it would depend on whether some of the trade copies were unpriced for export to Canada/Australia?

Posted on: 2012/7/10 15:29


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Peeta wrote:
Hi, i recently purchased a 1/1 HC CoH signed and dated by Alan Lee. Previous to this book i had the deluxe, super deluxe, 1/1 HM and a second printing HC printed and bound in the USA. I've noticed a few things when comparing these different copies, which gives rise to a few questions. First thing i noticed about the signed copy was that it was much heftier than my other two regular copies, much more like the deluxe edition. Second thing i noticed was that the book was either bound extreamely tight or the book has gotten very hot and has somewhat warped the pictures (just curious if anyone else's copy is similar to this). Another thing i was curious about is why HC also printed copies in the USA for sale in the USA? The second printing that i have seems to be very cheaply made, which is why i was suprised at the weight of the signed copy, and is taller than the HM edition. Thanks for any help!


The HarperCollins printings of CoH certainly differ between territories. The Australia/NZ 1st printing was printed by Hong Kong Express (from memory) and was of a higher quality binding than the regular UK 1st printing. I wasn't aware of a USA printed HC version, though, and that seems odd as HM owned the rights for the US? My UK 1/1 does have a slight "wrinklines"s to the pages where they join the spine, making them less pleasant to leaf through, and this may be what you are talking about with your copy.

Posted on: 2012/6/2 3:07



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