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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/J-R-R-Tolki ... bed35b:g:mN0AAOSwl8NVWIJu

Yep, when i find library-style date stamps in the back of a book, I think the most likely explanation is "three small date stamps front and rear end pages, not noticeable at first glance. Looks like a child was playing with their rubber stamp as there are no other marks or indications to explain them."...

That the book is ex-libris is clearly impossible. I'm guessing Mark F. clearly hasn't heard of Occam's razor.

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Re: Recommendations for Tolkien facsimile dust jackets
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I produced a restoration of the Pleasure In Reading Hobbit boards so I could jacket my copy (obviously this book didn't have a jacket originally). Restoring the dragon was a bit challenging. At 600dpi, the image is very clearly made of diagonal rows of dots, so replacing all the missing bits involves lots of cloning, coupled with dodging and burning. Came out OK, though -- and a by-product was the discovery that the first/second impressions differ in that the dragon image wraps around the board more on the 2nd (with the "n" of "Tolkien" pretty much reaching on the edge of the board), and the "s" is missing from Longmans on the spine on the 2nd. Otherwise, I couldn't see anything different.

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Re: The Appendices of The Lord of the Rings
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onthetrail wrote:
Sorry but I don't see how any software can help unless a digital reproduction is used of all the versions being cross referenced.

Software will not find errors from a paper document that has been scanned unless it is OCR'd, at which point the resulting document would then need to be referenced against a digital version and the errors that come from OCR corrected or the scanned and OCR'd document corrected by eye. I do not own one digital copy that has no errors and some are quite major so this would not represent a sound base copy with which to correct the OCR'd document. My own ongoing digitals are still full of errors and I have been working on them as long as they have been available.

I do see your point and you are quite correct about software finding differences in source code but I feel this is quite different when dealing with paper books. Humans are notorious for missing finer detail but some are well practiced in seeing errors on a page and can quickly identify changes in text that should ultimately be the same.



Yes, I was suggesting OCR. OCR can be very accurate, depending on the quality of the original (fonts, quality of printing, etc). It can also be very inaccurate, as you say, especially if the quality of the original type is poor. However, comparisons of OCRd copies are going to give you false positives, not false negatives, so if the OCR process itself is not arduous, there is essentially zero down side (unless the number of OCR errors is so high as for it to be useless -- which seems unlikely at this point in time). Plus, presumably current versions of the Appendices are already digital, so if the goal is to work backwards from what is there now and understand what has changed to get there, digital is the only sane choice (IMHO).

That said, I won't be doing any of the work (digital or otherwise), so my opinion is somewhat unimportant compared to those who will actually get involved.

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Re: The Appendices of The Lord of the Rings
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onthetrail wrote:
Hi Stu and Trotter,

With regard to finding errors in the Appendices, I do not feel that using computers will help with this other than to log the errors. If we had exact reproductions for each page it would cut down reading time but any software that finds errors and differences in text is filled with pitfalls in its self.


I'd still think it is useful as a base-point for identifying differences that can then be explored further. In Software Development we regularly use these kinds of tools understand what has changed between source-code versions, often across multiple files and documents. They aren't a substitute for the human eye/brain, and an understanding of the content/context, but they definitely do help identify differences that the brain will simply skip over otherwise (single character changes are really hard to identify). Humans are notoriously bad at making these kinds of comparisons.

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Re: The Appendices of The Lord of the Rings
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This feels like a problem best addressed using computers. Not sure how well OCR would handle some of the accented characters, but it would allow for matching of large swathes of the text to find differences.

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