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Re: 4-Book Tolkien Deluxe Edition Collection Set from HC
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Karl wrote:
I've sent HC an email about shipping to the US and a possible discount; I'm awaiting their reply. Stu - 145 GBP sounds like a good price for the set - do you think a similar discount is likely to happen again in the near future? Does anyone have experience asking HC for a discount on an item and getting one? I'd seen that they ship outside the UK, but when I try to purchase the item, I get the message: "Sorry but the following products are not available for sale to your country and will be removed from your basket." Thus I'm not so optimistic they'll ship to me.

So I've got some conflicting opinions: 200 GBP is too much Stu says; Beren could sell it to me for more. Anyone else want to weigh in?

Beren - what's your price?



Hi Karl,

It may be that HC didn't get the exemption that would allow them to sell the boxed set to the US. They certainly did get an agreement (with HMH presumably) that allowed them to sell the Super-deluxe volumes direct to the US.

HC used to periodically do fairly regular discounts across the board (usually 30 or 40 percent), but I'm no longer on their mailing list (as I changed email addresses and their website doesn't actually allow you to update your email address!). I'm not sure if they still do these routinely or if they just have occasional discounts on selected products or groups of products. Their website is crap and doesn't always even give you the advertised discount on a product!

With regards to Beren's price -- obviously he has paid to purchase the book up front (and may well have paid full retail in the hope the set would sell out and go up in value), so I imagine he would have to charge more than the 200 just to cover his sunk costs (although I can't speak for him -- this is purely supposition). Obviously you wouldn't pay the (speculative) 400 pounds that he has it advertised for unless you were a total loony.

[EDIT: Beren has corrected me that the price is GBP 330 - That'll teach me not to rely on my dubious memory! Sorry, Beren]

In terms of purchasing from HC, I am aware of people asking for (and being given) 30% discounts on the Super-Deluxe books, so it would not be unprecedented to be given a discount that was not advertised.

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Stu

Posted on: 2012/1/30 23:34

Edited by Stu on 2012/1/31 2:05:53


Re: 4-Book Tolkien Deluxe Edition Collection Set from HC
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I thought the shipping restriction to the US on this was lifted years ago, to be honest.

The set I got from HC three years back contains 1/1 (CoH), 1/1 (Sil) ,1/1 (Hobbit) ,1/2 (LOTR). The cost was GBP 140 (discounted by 40%) + GBP 5 standard international shipping (to Australia). i.e. All up GBP 145.

Originally this was claimed as a limited set of 500, but they subsequently dropped that claim, so who knows? The books themselves have always been marked as being "available for a limited time only" and for some of the books that limited time has now extended to 8 years and 4+ printings...

I wouldn't recommend paying 200 pounds these books, and to be honest, I wouldn't get too excited about the slipcase. The books look better without it, especially if you have the other two matching(ish) editions.

You could certainly pick them up cheaper on eBay given time (CoH, particularly, is basically worthless on the second hand market), but the postage might well be the killer if you had to get them separately.


Stu

Edit: http://www.tolkien.co.uk/Help/Pages/D ... y-and-Return-Details.aspx shows that delivery costs have not increased. 4.99 per book + 99p per additional. This counts as one book.

Posted on: 2012/1/30 15:12


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Mfaith wrote:
Stu, if that's a name, I'm not knowingly aware of inaccuracy I've posted, but I can say that many so called facts in the Tolkien book world aren't. It is simply because someone well known has said so and it can't be disproved. However if someone has taken some offense at one of my listings they should contact me so I can discuss it, not post derogatory public remarks about people behind their back. ..... .... for the sake of the Tolkien community. This doesn't mean childish insults and unfounded opinions from people who clearly have little else to do with their time.


Hi Mark,

If you look back through this thread, I think the comments that started this were relating to the posting of a small fact about a book set that was simply not correct. Like I said, IMHO I don't think it needed anything more than posting a correction on your page.

With regards to the taking of offence at eBay listings, there are thousands-upon-thousands of listings on eBay and a few catch the eye and get a bit of a ribbing (based on the product being poor, the information being poor, the price being crazy, etc). Good quality, well thought out listings at a reasonable buy-it-now or start price simply don't attract any attention. I don't think anyone is going out specifically looking for *your* listings to pick fault. This thread is about picking fault with *any* listing that catches the poster's eye as being not quite right in some way, even if only because the price is a "bit hopeful". Unfortunately, there are also many eBay sellers in the "Tolkien Game" that are out to take advantage of a buyer base which is - for the most part - poorly informed, and this thread helps expose some of that. Just to clarify, I'm not implying that you fall into this category.

You talk about childish remarks and behaviour, but respectful behaviour generally begets respectful behaviour. Yet your response to me talks about "little minds", "little lives", "little people" (indicating that these presumably apply to me), whilst my prior post (to you) was nothing other than polite and agreeing with you that this thread should not have been linked to your FB page (which - by the way was nothing to do with me - I didn't even know about your FB page until I read about it here in this thread).

With regards to the Tolkien community being in decline, if it is, then so be it. Nothing lasts for ever, and the world has far more important issues to deal with than whether Tolkien has enough fans. The Tolkien Estate has plenty of money and the issue of the size of the Tolkien fan base is so low on my radar that it does not register at all, and nor should it. Personally, I just want to enjoy the books, both for the content and for the physical form those books take.

And with regards to my not being funny or humorous (and looking like an ass). You are one third right - Actually, I am funny, humorous *and* an ass...

Again, let's all just live in peace - I won't be commenting further.

Regards,
S.

Posted on: 2012/1/29 7:13


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garm wrote:
Stu wrote -

"AL & EC/RL do really deserve a bit of a bashing for this and all their infractions over the years. The art of RL (generally) is one such infraction** and [allegedly] reviewing their own books is, of course, another. "

Nothing alleged about it - Ruth/Elizabeth praised her own work in a letter to the bullettin of the Tolkien Society, Amon Hen (no.197, page 30.) Ruth is talking about Tom Bombadil and his place in Tolkien's writings, and finishes with:

'There's an excellent discussion of this (and much, much more...) in A. Lewis and E. Currie's book 'The Uncharted Realms of Tolkien', which has a chapter on Tom Bombadil... by far the longest , most detailed and thought-provoking analysis of the character that I have seen.
Yours, Ruth Lacon'.



Yep, I just used the "allegedly" for legal reasons. Based on UK libel laws, you need to throw at least 5 "allegedlys" into every sentence. Allegedly.

Posted on: 2012/1/29 6:00


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Mark, I actually do agree with you that putting a link back to this thread on your FB page was bad form, and I can personally see why you deleted it. It is your page, so you get to delete what you like - them's the rules. I think a correction posted to your page (rather than the thread link) would have sufficed - at which point you could obviously have corrected your initial post or left the correction in place.

Most of the posters on this site have forgotten more about Tolkien and his works than I have ever known (well actually, that isn't true - they haven't forgotten any of it), and there is perhaps a tendency for people to get more irate than strictly necessary when they see mis-information posted. Some of your own prior postings, coupled with emails that have ended up in the public domain have also perhaps made some of the regulars on this site feel a little less warmly towards you than they might otherwise have felt. The internet is like that - it is easy to irritate people with what you write, especially if you are careless with the words you choose.

Let's all just enjoy the books and try and learn from each other in peaceful co-existence :)

That said, eBay listing bashing really is fair game, I think. Excessively priced or inaccurate descriptions will always get noticed and commented upon, I suspect. After all, this thread is 85 pages long, and any seller is fair game if their listing doesn't stack up.

Peace,

Stu

Posted on: 2012/1/29 5:57



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