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Re: Number Line Question
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Karl wrote:
Well...case closed. Rather than swallow his pride and enjoy his first editions (bought at rather reasonable prices), the buyer, aneythang55, decided to close the case and leave me poor feedback:

"Unable to resolve problems-sends site links rather than accept your disatisfact"

The link I sent him was to this forum (and some other reputable sites explaining number lines before that). Of course I had explained exactly what you all confirmed before that. To all this he said:

"I know what I know. There are many people in the world, and we can always find someone to agree with our point of view. 10 numbers is a full number line. That is that. Your book has 9 numbers on the line. I will not argue the issue any further."

Earlier he had sent me this gem:

"10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (full print line) 10 9 8 7 6 (printing) 1 2 3 4 (sub 6) 2 6 5 9 10 1 3 4 7 8 10 9 8 7 (6- 10 = 4#s left on line) The print line is the first 10 #s regardless of order (see line 4). The print line is reduced by the # of the book’s printing. For example, 6th book print, the # line is reduced by the # of printings, 6th-10=-4(# left on the line). It is not the 6th print bec of the lowest #. THE ORDER OF THE #S DOES NOT MATTER. The print line is reduced by increments of one, as is the # number of printings. The first printing is A FULL #LINE. The Roverandom book has 9 #s left in the line. The book has had 1 printing. .. SUBTRACT 1 (first printing)-10= -9 or 9+1(1st printing)=10(full # line). Therefore, the 2nd print. Next subtract 2(there has been print 1 and Print 2) 2-10= -8(#s left) or 8+2 10 (full line) which make it the 3rd print. The 7th print, 7-10=-3 … 9th print, reduce the # line by 9. 9-10= -1. The 10th print, 10-10=0. The first 10 printings."

Such dazzling equations!

So Mr. aneythang55 unhappily has his first editions and I have my poor feedback. Perhaps I should have let him return them, but why should I have to pay even extra postage for selling EXACTLY what I described. Ah, Ebay...



People like him are entirely the reason that I just stick my spare books in a box and forget about them. Someone else can stick them on eBay along with all the others once I'm dead...

Posted on: 8/7 13:24:11


Re: Number Line Question
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And to add a fourth voice. It sounds to me like your buyer just wants the books for nothing. Unfortunately, given that eBay doesn't allow sellers to leave negative feedback against buyers, you don't know if he has been pulling this stunt with lots of sellers.

All that matters with the number line is the lowest number present. Without specific evidence to the contrary, if the "1" is present (in any position in the line), then that indicates it is the first printing *of that particular edition*. Given that Roverandom was first published in 1998, you are on pretty safe ground that there wasn't an earlier edition or printing of the book you sold.

http://www.tolkienbooks.net/php/details.php?reference=71470

(Of course, occasionally publishers screw up or do weird things. An example being the American editions of History of Middle-Earth where there are later printings with a full number-line, but with a different three letter code at the start of the line. Easy to spot, though - because the publisher changed from HM to HMH)

Where there is no number line at all, without specific evidence to the contrary, unless there is a statement of reprinting, it will be the first printing of that particular edition/version of the book. In the case of the 2012 HC Collector's edition, yours is - without question - the first printing of that edition. This should come as no surprise as they printed lots and lots of them as it was produced as a movie tie-in.

(Note that sometimes the statement of reprinting does get omitted - for example the later printing(s) of the 2004 HarperCollins Deluxe Hobbit break this rule. Then you need to look for other cues, such as who printed it or did the materials change subtly, etc).

Posted on: 8/6 14:52:28

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Edited by Stu on 2014/8/6 15:58:14


Re: 100 years of Allen & Unwin: 1914-2014
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Sadly only the Australian ex-subsidiary remains (A&U), so the 100 years thing is a bit of a stretch. GA&U was consumed by the [utterly evil] Rupert Murdoch empire. Australians do "evil magnate" better than anyone else.

Posted on: 8/5 0:41:18


Re: Any guesses as to what this was for in 2nd edition UK Hobbits?
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I haven't got a second edition, but the signature marks certainly appear (as you would expect) through the entire book on the 1946 (although the A is omitted). Presumably this is also the case on the second editions?

Posted on: 8/2 23:16:54


Re: Pictures by J.R.R. Tolkien
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SeanG wrote:
Thanks Stu, yeah its funny how these book are so much more valuable to have as an owner than as a seller.

How do I tell that it is a first edition? It says published 1979 & I can't see that earlier ones were made. I would imagine that if it were for example second or third, then this would have been mentioned in the forward notes.

There is no mention of an edition at all.

Cheers again for your reply, good stuff.



"Pictures" wasn't reprinted until the second Edition (which was published in 1992 by HarperCollins -- and I think that one got two impressions, from memory). Basically, if you have a 1979 GA&U "Pictures", it is the 1st Edition/1st Impression.

Normally (but not always) when a book is reprinted there is either a statement of the previous printings or - more recently - a number-line that tells you the same thing. Like I say, in this case, there was only a single impression, so it is dead easy to know what you have.

Like you say, probably more valuable to own and enjoy than to sell -- this is certainly one of my favourite Tolkien books.

Cheers
Stu

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