Tolkien Collector's Guide
Posts

Re: 1998 Silmarillion Fake Signatures

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

Mark D. Faith wrote:
The naivety of a few frequent posters here that publishers don’t sign deluxe editions, sometimes or often, on behalf of their clients just beggars’ belief! Anyone can research famous signatures on the internet and see the anomalies. As dealers, we know why and what to look for. Don’t take risks listening to amateurs.

Still claiming those CT signatures that HC sold us are fake I see? I hope those lawyers you're always threatening us with are real, because you may have need of them...

BH
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Re: Methuen Silmarillion (state)

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

There's a time & a place for such things, Deagol. And this thread, I'm afraid, isn't it!

I'll leave people to comment on the Methuen edition here. I'll open a separate thread regarding states & priority of The Silmarillion...

BH
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Re: Methuen Silmarillion (state)

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

I really should...

BH
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Methuen Silmarillion (state)

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

I can't recall this being discussed previously, but perhaps someone can draw my attention to previous discussion of this particular point...

I have two copies of the Methuen edition of The Silmarillion; one with only the label to the title page & one with the additional label (the "Friends" one) to the FFEP.

Not that I believed there was likely to be any difference between these two (but just in case others don't have both), but neither copies that I have are Clowes first state. Both copies have the pg. 352 Ulmo error corrected. I don't think this is particularly significant but I don't recall this being noted before.

In general the Clowes copies are very similar, as you'd expect. For example: all have the "Realms of the Noldor" map facing pg. 121 (which was probably in error). But textually, there are differences.

Neil/TolkienBooks has the Methuen edition sitting chronologically at the beginning before the Clowes "Export" edition & preceded only by the Dummy entry. I know that order Neil gives is not strict as, for example, the "Domestic" entry goes on to discuss the other impressions. But, still, the Methuen (if they're all Clowes second state) really sits, from a textual perspective, closer to the Clowes BCA edition that to the Clowes and Billing first states.

BH

P.S. Also, there is a Billing second state. When you going to mention this, Neil?!
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Re: 1998 Silmarillion Fake Signatures

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

Has a COA "if you want one" too! Bonus.

BH
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Re: 1998 Silmarillion Fake Signatures

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

Are you really argumentative too?
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Re: 1998 Silmarillion Fake Signatures

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

Or surely had an online argument with him at least...

BH
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Re: 1998 Silmarillion Fake Signatures

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

Come Aelfwine, what on earth do you know? Who even are you? Mark is the handwriting expert here. You'd think by the way you're talking you knew something about Tolkien manuscripts or had corresponded with Christopher. Pff.

BH
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Re: 1998 Silmarillion Fake Signatures

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

Some people (unlike your "old boss") copied this stuff before it was binned. HC also inherited some of the records; they're still there. To suggest everything out there that you disagree with is meaningless collector talk is clearly nonsense. Plus, this information vacuum is the same source of your expert knowledge; so clearly you're not to be believed either if your theory made any sense to begin with...

BH
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


Re: 1998 Silmarillion Fake Signatures

Joined:
Aug 16, 2007
From Scotland
Group:
Shirefolk
Fellowship
Shirrif
Posts: 1892

No, let's not have a new topic. I'm calling you out here.

Let's get straight. These have been sold by HC as signed by CT & Ted. And this carries no weight in a discussion between someone (you) who claims they're not signed by CT & another (me) who belives that they are?

The onus is clearly on you to provide evidence that these signatures are not CTs. You have this I assume? And you provide COAs, correct? It's your professional opinion that these are fake; you've stated this in your previous post.
This is almost certainly not signed by Christopher Tolkien, but by the publisher on his behalf. We know this publisher well having worked with them ourselves. The signature is obviously not his.

If I contact HC I assume they'll confirm what you've said, correct? And if they confirm that they were signed by CT we can expect you to accept this?

BH
_________________
BH

You drive a hard bargain – you can have it for £10 all-in – one consolation (for you) is that you do not have to hear the cries of my children, for bread...


1 ... 3 4 (5) 6 7 ... 171
All original content © 2018 by the submitting authors. Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy | Contact Us