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Re: Tolkien Treasury

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Berelach wrote:
Does anyone happen to know what the earliest impressions included in this boxed-set were?

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I have Bombadil (6th), Giles (3rd), Roverandom (5th), and Smith (2nd) in mine, but I'm guessing there were earlier impressions in the first release.


I opted not to bother with it, but it wasn't realeased until a long time after the individual books were released, so quite possible your set represents the first state of it (as a set), especially as Smith is only 2nd.

Are those later prints all still by Clays?


By Stu

Re: Facsimile Second Impression Hobbit.

Nov 17, 2016 - in Books and other printed materials (edited)
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Trotter wrote:
If you want an exact facsimile you would also have to take on board textual changes between the 1st and 2nd Impression, I am aware of at least two, but I am sure that there are more, these are not recorded in the Hammond and Anderson Descriptive Bibliography.

Page 31, 3rd line from the bottom

1st Impression '...., unless he has changed his habits.'
2nd Impression '...., unless he has chan ed his habits.'

Page 226, 3rd line from the bottom

1st Impression 'I have no idea at the momnet'
2nd Impression 'I have no idea at the moment'

You would also need a new List of Illustrations page, and to recreate the colour illustrations with the 2nd Impression descriptions, i.e. 'Bilbo comes to the Huts of the raft elves', is described as 'The river opened suddenly wide' in the second impression.

The challenge would be getting the paper to look the same when these pages were reprinted.


Thanks for that - the challenge is definitely in the paper (as always). I think colour would not be a problem, but weight might be a little more challenging. It feels quite doable, though (espeically if the page 31 and page 226 changes were ommitted as 'unimportant'). I might need some photos of your copy, and start to assemble the necessary digital files for the new/replacement pages.

Donor book ordered. I assume it will be a second impression, so should be able to answer the question as to whether it is identical to the first. fairly soon. Right before I attack it with a craft knife.


By Stu

Facsimile Second Impression Hobbit.

Nov 17, 2016 - in Books and other printed materials (edited)
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I'm thinking of producing one of these, based on dismantling a facsimile first.

So far as I am aware, the page numbering is the same from first impression to second impression, despite the presence of different plates, so would need

1. 2nd impression dust jacket (done) - possibly printed colour laser, rather than inkjet
2. Facsimile first page block, removed from boards
3. existing boards
4. Printed plates (inkjet on slightly glossy paper probably most practical)
5. Reprinted end papers/maps as existing ones would be destroyed.
6. Reprinted title page
7. Reprinted list of illustrations
8. Possible replacements of other pages with minor differences

Seems like a pretty easy project, unless I'm missing something (Trotter?)


By Stu

Re: Americans collecting British books

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Morinehtar wrote:
Goes back to what I said before: it is all a matter of personal taste and you should collect what makes you happy.


I think that's the key. And there is every likelihood that what you will want to collect will change over time, anyway. It certainly has for me. Personally, the process of collecting was far more fun than the result (it isn't like I really ever look at most of my collection. How many copies of The Hobbit can you really read?), and I suspect that is not uncommon.

For me, playing with graphics and dustjackets and facsimile Songs for the Philologists, etc, is what has kept it interesting.


By Stu

Re: Americans collecting British books

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Ulmo wrote:
Some of your British editions which are self-consciously deluxe and expensive without serving up anything feeling particularly fantastic or medieval might seem to us to miss the point.


Don't worry, I think even we think they miss the point. Personally, I'm only really interested in collecting "standard" editions of books, although there was a time that collecting "deluxe" editions was of interest. Now everything has an (allegedly) deluxe edition, it seems a bit silly. More so, when the work is bottom-of-the-barrel stuff.


By Stu

Re: Americans collecting British books

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My take on it is that Americans really embraced the mass-market book, and that quality of construction or design was never that important, whereas the Commonwealth countries - for whatever reason - put more emphasis on well made and styled books, so we just have a bit of a historical legacy which makes the British stuff a bit more appealing for some.

I've also noticed that American style can be quite gaudy (e.g. Easton press, which takes tacky to extremes), whereas that hasn't really been a "thing" in the UK for a long time. I guess it was maybe the Americans trying to emulate the gaudy styles of European royalty. The better quality (in constructiuon) American books tend to be very tacky because they are pretending to be something they are not.

We simply have different histories and it has shaped the products we like. I must admit, I do like the American first impressions of HoME, and I have a set (albeit I have only a couple of other American editions).


By Stu

Re: New Book Releases

Nov 15, 2016 - in Books and other printed materials (edited)
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Tolkien.co.uk seem to have the FF Hobbit back in stock, which may imply that it is a second print.

http://www.tolkien.co.uk/product/9780 ... +Facsimile+First+Edition+

If anyone happens to get a copy, would be interested if (a) there are any changes to the book, and (b) where it is printed, and by whom.

Edit: Book Depository has it back in stock, so I think we are definitely onto the second impression.


By Stu

Re: Americans collecting British books

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Morinehtar wrote:

Velmeran wrote:
For me, I'll typically go with HC over HM/HMH because typically the quality is better - at least with first printings anyway.


This is true when HC first prints are made in Italy or the UK. However, this does not apply to anything made in China.

I do tend to favor books printed and bound by LEGO.



With Tolkien, we are somewhat lucky - as the majority of the work was printed back in the days when quality was very high, so as collectors we have many high quality books to collect, without having to pay too much attention to the current releases (many of which are basically filler anyway).


By Stu

Re: Earthquake

Nov 14, 2016 - in General Collecting Forum
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Morinehtar wrote:
Just heard about this. Stay safe Stu.


Will certainly try! Have just boosted the earthquake supplies of food and water (and most importantly -- cat food).


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Re: Facsimile First Edition - Analysis of Flaps

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