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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...

Nov 1, 2010 - in Research Questions
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Anyway, my convoluted point is this. Yes, Clowes were probably physically producing their copies chronologically first (after all, Billing copies are printed by “offset lithography” --from the Clowes pages I always assumed...), but factors like whether the dj is priced, the binding is cloth, top page edges are dyed blue, headbands are present etc --are not necessarily factors that help determine whether a particular copy is a “true” (terminology commonly used) ‘Export’ 1st impression or not. There are many, many variants out there. Although, having said this, if there are any radically variant Billing copies out there --I haven’t seen any.

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But there is a difference in printing for the Clowes 1/1st, as discussed quite a lot before, the Billings copies are from the first Clowes printing.

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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...

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For heaven’s sake Trotter!, I know what the bibliographical (in the purest sense of the word i.e. the printed pages only) variation is. What I’m trying to say is that the characteristics that are often inextricably linked (I, for one, used to think they went hand-in-hand; other comments suggest others think so too) to the two Clowes printing variants...

i.e.
Clowes 1st State
Both errors + cloth boards + headbands + dyed top page edges + unpriced dj
Clowes 2nd State
One error [Ulmo corrected] + paper boards + no headbands + no dyed edges + unpriced dj

--are not linked.

I have a Clowes 1st state copy meeting all of the above points except the boards are paper covered, & it has a priced dj. So all I was basically trying to say was, if you’re searching for a Clowes 1st state & you cannot get the seller to confirm the presence or absence of the errors (sometimes tricky) --the other characteristics on their own are not a guide to the state of the sheets. E.g. if you come across a paper covered Clowes it isn’t necessarily the 2nd state.

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By Deagol

Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...

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Khamul - patience precious.....
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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...

Nov 2, 2010 - in Research Questions
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It was a genuine " For heaven's sake Trotter! "...

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By Deagol

Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...

Nov 6, 2010 - in Research Questions
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Printer - Clowes

Binding - Cloth

Jacket - Unpriced

Printed Pages - Up to pg. 32

Publisher's Imprint - London/George Allen & Unwin/Boston Sydney

ISBN - Full ISBN present

Chapters - 24

My copy include an A&U letter dated 22/08/1977 if that helps.
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Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...

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Deagol,

What was in the letter?

Dior


By Deagol

Re: Dummy SILMARILLION variations...

Nov 7, 2010 - in Research Questions
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Something along the lines of: Dear Bookseller, thank you for your order for The Silmarillion, here is a dummy copy to help you get more.
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