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Entry for "Angels" in Tolkien Encyclopedia (written by Jared Lobdell):
In The Silmarillion, in Tolkien’s description of the creation of the Ainur—the Valar and Maiar before the beginning of time—we find that the ‘‘Wisest of the Maiar was Olo´ rin,’’ a name Gandalf said (S, 30, 279) was his ‘‘in his youth, in the West that is forgotten.’’ In the chapter ‘‘The Istari’’ in Unfinished Tales is a rough version of a narrative describing the council of the Valar in which they discuss sending emissaries (messengers ¼ [Gk] aggloi ¼ angels) to Middle-earth to help in the struggle against Sauron: ‘‘Who would go? For they must be mighty, peers of Sauron, but must forego might, and clothe themselves in flesh so as to treat on equality and win the trust of Elves and Men’’ (UT, 393). A peer being someone of equal stature with another, and Sauron being himself a Maia (‘‘in his beginning he was of the Maiar of Aule¨’’ in The Silmarillion), the Valar clearly intended to send other Maiar as their emissaries (Istari). Tolkien wrote elsewhere that ‘‘we must assume that they [the Istari] were all Maiar.’’
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Entry for "Maiar" in Tolkien Encyclopedia (written by Jonathan Evans):
The Istari, apparently a special suborder of the Maiar, are an unspecified number including those named Olo´ rin, Curunı´r, Aiwendil, Alatar, and Pallando. These five become the Wizards of Third-Age Middle-earth. In Valinor, Olo´rin—the wisest among the Maiar—lived in Lo´rien and went often to house of Nienna, the Vala of grief and mourning, where he learned pity and patience. In Middle-earth, Olo´ rin comes to be known as Gandalf. Likewise, Curunı´r becomes Saruman, whose interest in forging and artifice, as well as his eventual affinities with Sauron, suggests an original association with Aule¨. Aiwendil, or ‘‘bird-friend,’’ becomes Radagast and seems to have been a servant of Yavanna. Alatar and Pallando go to the east but otherwise are not mentioned in the canon of writing on Middle-earth. Sauron, servant of Melkor, was originally associated with Aule¨ the smith, a relationship echoed vestigially in his friendship with the Elven-smiths of Eregion and his skill as the artificer of the Rings of Power.
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Very interesting Jlong. I realize that i wasn't thinking about something very important about the Istari when i posted, "For they must be
mighty, peers of Sauron, but must forego might, and clothe themselves in flesh so as to treat on equality and win the trust of Elves and Men’’ (UT, 393). This would then explain perhaps why Sauron seems so much more mighty than even Sauruman, the mightiest of the Istari. He (Sauron) did not forego any of his might, he came to Middle Earth as Melian did in full strength. It is still interesting to me that JRR talks about the "Lords of the Valar" and states that we must assume that the Istari were all Maia. Definately leaves room for some sort of 'middle class' of Ainur, not Lords of the Valar and not servants of the Valar.
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