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Anyway, my convoluted point is this. Yes, Clowes were probably physically producing their copies chronologically first (after all, Billing copies are printed by “offset lithography” --from the Clowes pages I always assumed...), but factors like whether the dj is priced, the binding is cloth, top page edges are dyed blue, headbands are present etc --are not necessarily factors that help determine whether a particular copy is a “true” (terminology commonly used) ‘Export’ 1st impression or not. There are many, many variants out there. Although, having said this, if there are any radically variant Billing copies out there --I haven’t seen any.
BH
But there is a difference in printing for the Clowes 1/1st, as discussed quite a lot before, the Billings copies are from the first Clowes printing.
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For heaven’s sake Trotter!, I know what the bibliographical (in the purest sense of the word i.e. the printed pages only) variation is. What I’m trying to say is that the characteristics that are often inextricably linked (I, for one, used to think they went hand-in-hand; other comments suggest others think so too) to the two Clowes printing variants...
i.e.
Clowes 1st State
Both errors + cloth boards + headbands + dyed top page edges + unpriced dj
Clowes 2nd State
One error [Ulmo corrected] + paper boards + no headbands + no dyed edges + unpriced dj
--are not linked.
I have a Clowes 1st state copy meeting all of the above points except the boards are paper covered, & it has a priced dj. So all I was basically trying to say was, if you’re searching for a Clowes 1st state & you cannot get the seller to confirm the presence or absence of the errors (sometimes tricky) --the other characteristics on their own are not a guide to the state of the sheets. E.g. if you come across a paper covered Clowes it isn’t necessarily the 2nd state.
BH
i.e.
Clowes 1st State
Both errors + cloth boards + headbands + dyed top page edges + unpriced dj
Clowes 2nd State
One error [Ulmo corrected] + paper boards + no headbands + no dyed edges + unpriced dj
--are not linked.
I have a Clowes 1st state copy meeting all of the above points except the boards are paper covered, & it has a priced dj. So all I was basically trying to say was, if you’re searching for a Clowes 1st state & you cannot get the seller to confirm the presence or absence of the errors (sometimes tricky) --the other characteristics on their own are not a guide to the state of the sheets. E.g. if you come across a paper covered Clowes it isn’t necessarily the 2nd state.
BH
Printer - Clowes
Binding - Cloth
Jacket - Unpriced
Printed Pages - Up to pg. 32
Publisher's Imprint - London/George Allen & Unwin/Boston Sydney
ISBN - Full ISBN present
Chapters - 24
My copy include an A&U letter dated 22/08/1977 if that helps.
Binding - Cloth
Jacket - Unpriced
Printed Pages - Up to pg. 32
Publisher's Imprint - London/George Allen & Unwin/Boston Sydney
ISBN - Full ISBN present
Chapters - 24
My copy include an A&U letter dated 22/08/1977 if that helps.
Something along the lines of: Dear Bookseller, thank you for your order for The Silmarillion, here is a dummy copy to help you get more.
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Hello Dummy Silmarillions fans
I just received my copy this morning, and here are the details as far as I can notice :
Printer: Clowes
Binding: Cloth
Dust jacket: unpriced, identical to my regular Clowes "Export" copy
Printed: up to page 32
Publisher's imprint: London/George Allen & Unwin Ltd/Boston Sydney.
ISBN: 0048231398
Chapters: 24
I have noticed that the blue and white striped headband is differrent between the regular Clowes and the Dummy. The top edge colour is more greyish on the Dummy.
Here are some pictures. (Dummy is having the greyish top edge).
The last pictures are from my Billing copy signed by Christopher Tolkien, just for the pleasure...
I just received my copy this morning, and here are the details as far as I can notice :
Printer: Clowes
Binding: Cloth
Dust jacket: unpriced, identical to my regular Clowes "Export" copy
Printed: up to page 32
Publisher's imprint: London/George Allen & Unwin Ltd/Boston Sydney.
ISBN: 0048231398
Chapters: 24
I have noticed that the blue and white striped headband is differrent between the regular Clowes and the Dummy. The top edge colour is more greyish on the Dummy.
Here are some pictures. (Dummy is having the greyish top edge).
The last pictures are from my Billing copy signed by Christopher Tolkien, just for the pleasure...
Those of you who own this Dummy copy of the Silmarillion, do you have also a slight different strip headband, compared to the export edition?
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