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Re: The Wonders of eBay
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It wasn't approved then? How were they allowed to publish it?

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It was self-published. I don't want to go into all the ins and outs of it, but the Estate's position on this sort of thing is made clear in the FAQ section of their website -

"Can I / someone else write / complete / develop my / their own version of one of these unfinished tales ? (or any others)
The simple answer is NO.
You are of course free to do whatever you like for your own private enjoyment, but there is no question of any commercial exploitation of this form of "fan-fiction".
Also, in these days of the Internet, and privately produced collectors’ items for sale on eBay, we must make it as clear as possible that the Tolkien Estate never has, and never will authorize the commercialisation or distribution of any works of this type."

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Re: The Wonders of eBay
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I understand that garm --but they sold them, did they not? i.e. privately printed or not. I always thought that was the line not to cross --write it if you want; even publish it; just don't sell it.

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Well they were allowed to be produced and were allowed to be sold by The Tolkien Estate... not only one time time but two times. Also they were being sold to people from the Tolkien Society and even better all profits were used to give a present to Christopher Tolkien, who also accepted a copy (think also Priscilla but not certain - writing out of memory here). I still have the small three booklets of the first publication and the later one single volume.

Not all copies sold, or were bound, so one day one clever bookseller saw a chance to bind them and sell them. This was however stopped by the Tolkien Estate, since indeed he did not have a permission to do so. It is a good thing that they can allow and can stop things to happen. But it is unfair to say that there was no permission to produce or sell the book when there was indeed permission to do so... just because of what happened many many years later. Please inform yourselves a little. The ins and outs are quit important especially when speaking about people who are around and did so much for the Tolkien fan community and society.

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Beren - I am informed; better than you know, or imply. Giving a book to Priscilla does not amount to approval of the text, nor obtaining permission to sell. There is all the difference between asking permission of a copyright holder - in this case, the Estate - and presenting it as a fait complit.

I'm not prepared to be lectured by someone who has shown poor judgement in the past, both on these boards
(the 'Dr. Higgins' affair, to give one example) - and on your own website; where recently you published an article containing text and images of some of Tolkien's unpublished writings without seeking permission.

Posted on: 2013/1/6 4:04

Edited by garm on 2013/1/6 5:11:03
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