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Re: Dodgy Children of Hurin Bookplates on Ebay
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Elwë wrote:
I know that from Beren's and Dunedain's posts, that some of these indeed exist. I have been comparing the images posted by Uruloke back on 1-June-07, and I believe that my copy is legitimate.

Would anyone here care to give their assessment of my copy (based on the attached photo), and can anyone make further comment on the number of known US Deluxe CoH copies that have this double signed plate in them? Thanks!



I'd think it is a very small number that were directly inserted into the US Deluxe editions, less than the UK which could not be more than 30-40 copies, but I think the problem is that it is possible to take the bookplate out of the Trade Edition and put it into the Deluxe edition as I have already mentioned.

The Super Deluxe editions would have significantly reduced the value of the Trade copies with bookplates, so I can see why people would move them to Deluxe copies.

Posted on: 2011/1/22 23:23


Re: Dodgy Children of Hurin Bookplates on Ebay
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If one is going to get all pedantic (as I frequently do...) about chronological 'assembly' of these quasi-publication CoH states, then one would need to ask --why would anyone want a US deluxe copy with one of these bookplates?

The assembly of this 'state' (I use, or perhaps mis-use, this term loosely) post-dates the London (Waterstones) and NY (Barnes & Noble) events by several months. None of these copies, whether assembled as intended, or fraudulently assembled, occurred at publication time. Therefore, why the appeal in 'making' one, or buying one?

By all means, if you're a crook, peal one from a UK standard Hb, and re-stick it into a UK deluxe --at least that makes sense.

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Re: Dodgy Children of Hurin Bookplates on Ebay
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Khamul,

In my opinion, the limiting factor with any of the bookplate laden books is of authenticity of the plate, not chronology. If the signatures are real, then they are real, and that's what counts. I think that most people agree that Harper Collins did a poor job with the plates (design, distribution, forge-ability, etc.), which certainly reduces the value when compared to a flat signed/numbered edition. But we know that a few of these were inserted (originally) into U.S. Deluxe editions, and C.R.T.'s signature still has to be of some value, regardless of how it was handled along the way. I guess I just think that none of the bookplate books are extremely desirable, and while chronology might factor into value a little, it is not a big deal in this case.

My question regarding the possible number of U.S. Deluxe editions with bookplates was asked out of simple curiosity. I was not trying to infer any enhanced value. I purchased this copy in its present state from a reputable seller (no, not flatsigned, or cavorite), for what I thought was a reasonable price. I have no plans to peel this plate and stick it into another book, nor would I ever do that. My book is in great condition and shows no signs of tampering to the bookplate (if there's a 'crook' in the book's past, they sure fooled me). I would think that if neither the book nor bookplate are damaged, then it's a pretty nice collectable. Will this book ever warrant high prices? Probably not. Is it less desirable than a U.K. Deluxe? Probably. But, in the end, it's a nice book that contains Alan Lee's and Christopher Tolkien's signatures, and I like it. (Trying to cut down on italics, but can't go cold turkey!)

Posted on: 2011/1/24 14:11


Re: Dodgy Children of Hurin Bookplates on Ebay
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I totally agree. I didn't intend: why would you want one of these? I just meant that sometimes, the event, the circumstances surrounding the book state, is (I was going to say 'important'; but that I think is where I'm in error) --more interesting, than just the mechanical fact that Christopher signed it.

BH

Posted on: 2011/1/24 16:25

Edited by Khamul on 2011/1/26 15:00:14
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Re: Dodgy Children of Hurin Bookplates on Ebay
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Khamul, you are certainly right about the things that make collecting interesting. All of the intricacies that separate the various states of books are fascinating, to say the least. I think sometimes I under-appreciate the finer details. When I really think about it, though, my favorite books in my collection are the ones that have a bit of a story behind them.

Posted on: 2011/1/24 18:35



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