Your pretty safe with Hobbit's & LotRs. £100 is not a bad amount to have to spend. You'll not get early editions of these in F/F or anything, but you'll pick up some nice copies that you'll enjoy owning I think...
BH
BH
Oh well; seems I'm not up on prices these days, so take no notice of me - but you do need a copy of Poems and Stories anyway, for whatever price you can get it.
As for a LotR 2nd ed. 1st imp - I saw a set today in Oxford for £150.00 which I thought was a bit dear, esp. since I bought a lovely 1965 1st ed. set from the same shop last year which was priced at £130, but he took off 10% for cash.
As for a LotR 2nd ed. 1st imp - I saw a set today in Oxford for £150.00 which I thought was a bit dear, esp. since I bought a lovely 1965 1st ed. set from the same shop last year which was priced at £130, but he took off 10% for cash.
If you want something old, take a look here -
https://affiliates.abebooks.com/c/9724 ... 26yrh%3D1924%26yrl%3D1908
- but ignore the obvious false entries!
https://affiliates.abebooks.com/c/9724 ... 26yrh%3D1924%26yrl%3D1908
- but ignore the obvious false entries!
Clearly we have nothing better to be doing on a Saturday evening than suggesting to Bruffyboy what he should spend his money on! Now, I'm sure I had a life... where did I put it...
BH
BH
I'm in a dilemma here, and I'd like your opinions/advices, as I really don't know what to do.
Every year I do a summer job and from the money I earn, I take a part to spend on things I want. This year there are two things: my guitar project (I'm building an electric guitar) and some books, of course. Unfortunately, the guitar building project is (much) more expensive than I thought it would be.
With the 'book money' I have already bought a copy of the Ancrene Riwle (1955, Burns & Oates, with d/j) and it should arrive this week. I have now still got ca. £30 to spend on, but there are three 'deals' I have to choose from, and I find that quite hard.
Choice 1 is a 1st/4th of The Return of the King in good-very good condition (with dustjacket).
I want this one because: it would be my first 1st edition copy of The Lord of the Rings and it seems to have had quite a limited run (about 3200).
I doubt because: isn't it silly to buy just the third book and not having the other two? Wouldn't it give a feeling of deficiency?
Choice 2 consists of two books: Þe Liflade and te Passiun of Seinte Iuliene and Seinte Katerine (both published for the Early English Society), by S.R.T.O. d'Ardenne.
I want these two because: I am interested in Old and Middle English texts (studying English and German linguistics and philology at Ghent University). Also I am intrigued by Tolkien's more scholar writing and his 'significance' to these books. Also these books seem nice additions to my 'collection'.
I doubt because: what significance has really Tolkien had to these books? I know only this:
"D’Ardenne’s Þe Liflade ant te Passiun of Seinte Iuliene, for example, has been said to represent Tolkien’s most fully articulated thoughts on Middle English (Carpenter 140-41), and her edition of Seinte Katerine was begun with Tolkien’s collaboration. (Michael Drout, Tolkien Studies IV)
Is it really worth buying those, with regards to Tolkien's significance in them?
Choice 3 is the original 1936 publication of d'Ardenne's Þe Liflade and te Passiun of Seinte Iuliene.
I want this one because: of the reasons stated in choice two, plus it seems to me it has more of a collectable value than the E.E.S. edition (being scarcer and harder to find).
I doubt because: I'm not sure it is the same text of the E.E.S. edition. Also it costs about £40 which means I have to go beyond my budget of £30 and this for just one book. (If I go for deal 2 I have two books, including this one, though a later and less scarce edition)
Your opinions - and perhaps advices - on this somewhat annoying matter would be most helpful!
PS: If pictures would help you, please ask and I'll put some here that I received from the books' sellers.
Every year I do a summer job and from the money I earn, I take a part to spend on things I want. This year there are two things: my guitar project (I'm building an electric guitar) and some books, of course. Unfortunately, the guitar building project is (much) more expensive than I thought it would be.
With the 'book money' I have already bought a copy of the Ancrene Riwle (1955, Burns & Oates, with d/j) and it should arrive this week. I have now still got ca. £30 to spend on, but there are three 'deals' I have to choose from, and I find that quite hard.
Choice 1 is a 1st/4th of The Return of the King in good-very good condition (with dustjacket).
I want this one because: it would be my first 1st edition copy of The Lord of the Rings and it seems to have had quite a limited run (about 3200).
I doubt because: isn't it silly to buy just the third book and not having the other two? Wouldn't it give a feeling of deficiency?
Choice 2 consists of two books: Þe Liflade and te Passiun of Seinte Iuliene and Seinte Katerine (both published for the Early English Society), by S.R.T.O. d'Ardenne.
I want these two because: I am interested in Old and Middle English texts (studying English and German linguistics and philology at Ghent University). Also I am intrigued by Tolkien's more scholar writing and his 'significance' to these books. Also these books seem nice additions to my 'collection'.
I doubt because: what significance has really Tolkien had to these books? I know only this:
"D’Ardenne’s Þe Liflade ant te Passiun of Seinte Iuliene, for example, has been said to represent Tolkien’s most fully articulated thoughts on Middle English (Carpenter 140-41), and her edition of Seinte Katerine was begun with Tolkien’s collaboration. (Michael Drout, Tolkien Studies IV)
Is it really worth buying those, with regards to Tolkien's significance in them?
Choice 3 is the original 1936 publication of d'Ardenne's Þe Liflade and te Passiun of Seinte Iuliene.
I want this one because: of the reasons stated in choice two, plus it seems to me it has more of a collectable value than the E.E.S. edition (being scarcer and harder to find).
I doubt because: I'm not sure it is the same text of the E.E.S. edition. Also it costs about £40 which means I have to go beyond my budget of £30 and this for just one book. (If I go for deal 2 I have two books, including this one, though a later and less scarce edition)
Your opinions - and perhaps advices - on this somewhat annoying matter would be most helpful!
PS: If pictures would help you, please ask and I'll put some here that I received from the books' sellers.
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I shan't presume to advise you as to what you should do, but let's see what comes up in a general discussion. I don't know whether the number of copies of a reprint of RotK is much of a factor. On the other hand, it's reasonably early, and- a bibliographical oddity - the fourth imp. was the last to have the impression printed on the spine of the dustwrapper. Oddly, this does not occur on copies of FR, nor TT; nor even the 1st impression of RK. it's just, well, odd.
As for the d'Ardenne books - I don't know. I would suggest you go for what makes you happiest; which I guess would be the two books, given your specialist interests. I believe Tolkien did give Simonne a large anount of help with St Julienne; indeed he ought to have been listed as a co-editor, but he refused, because Simonne had a better chance of a chair at Liege if she'd been down as sole editor.
Of course, it's easy for me to talk - I've copies of RK, and both editions of Julienne (but not Katerine - yet)
*edit - just got my copies of Julienne out - looking at the preliminaries, I see that both have identical Prefatory Notes (including thanks to Elaine griffiths as well as Tolkien). But the EETS has in addition a page of Corrigenda, which might prove useful in your studies.
As for the d'Ardenne books - I don't know. I would suggest you go for what makes you happiest; which I guess would be the two books, given your specialist interests. I believe Tolkien did give Simonne a large anount of help with St Julienne; indeed he ought to have been listed as a co-editor, but he refused, because Simonne had a better chance of a chair at Liege if she'd been down as sole editor.
Of course, it's easy for me to talk - I've copies of RK, and both editions of Julienne (but not Katerine - yet)
*edit - just got my copies of Julienne out - looking at the preliminaries, I see that both have identical Prefatory Notes (including thanks to Elaine griffiths as well as Tolkien). But the EETS has in addition a page of Corrigenda, which might prove useful in your studies.
I have a re-bound 1936 Julienne and and the EETS Katerine.
The Preface to the Katerine says: "When SRTOd'A first planned this edition over forty years ago, she had hoped to have the collaboration of JRR Tolkien, the academic supervisor of her work on Seinte Julienne but, in the event, (initially becasue of the war of 1939-1945) he took no part in it"
So the Katerine has some (but limited) Tolkien interest.
As garm points out, twe books is a better choice from an academic point of view.
Like him, I would hesitate to advise you but have to say the 1936 Julienne is very rare in my experience and passing up a chance to get one would be hard. You may well find a copy of the Katerine again in the future.
The Preface to the Katerine says: "When SRTOd'A first planned this edition over forty years ago, she had hoped to have the collaboration of JRR Tolkien, the academic supervisor of her work on Seinte Julienne but, in the event, (initially becasue of the war of 1939-1945) he took no part in it"
So the Katerine has some (but limited) Tolkien interest.
As garm points out, twe books is a better choice from an academic point of view.
Like him, I would hesitate to advise you but have to say the 1936 Julienne is very rare in my experience and passing up a chance to get one would be hard. You may well find a copy of the Katerine again in the future.
Personally (and without hesitation), I would go for the 1936 Passiun of Seinte Iuliene. Quite hard to find an original printing (especially in original wrappers - mostly found re-bound). And £40 seems extremely reasonable (The in-print EETS edition costs around that amount new). That would be from my "collector's" point of view.
Thanks for your posts Garm, Jlong, Gawain and Remy.
Does anyone have a photo of the original binding of the 1936 edition of 'Seinte Iuliene'? I have received this photo's of the seller but it's not the original binding, is it?
I've also uploaded a photo of The Return of the King and of the other two books, for comparison.
(Hope this is not going to be too large a post)
Does anyone have a photo of the original binding of the 1936 edition of 'Seinte Iuliene'? I have received this photo's of the seller but it's not the original binding, is it?
I've also uploaded a photo of The Return of the King and of the other two books, for comparison.
(Hope this is not going to be too large a post)