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By Stu

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For me, this is a "Wonders of" on so many levels

http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/tolkien-book-store/001266.htm


"History of Middle-Earth 3 Volume Box Set, by J.R.R. Tolkien.
Published by Harper Collins in 2002, these are later printings, #1 is a 6th impression, #2 a 5th impression and #3 is a 5th impression".


The wording is ambiguous, but I think this at least hints that this is a 2002 set, but with those impressions, it is the reprint boxed set published a couple of years back (2012, I think), which is still available brand new, and for a lot less money. At least, this should be made clear, especially given the comments about how hard to find the set it is (which definitely implies it is the original set, as that IS hard to find).


"The 3 volumes are all in Near Fine condition, in Near Fine dustjackets, now protected in archival protectors, except for a large bump to the upper left corner of the slipcase and the same corner of book number 1 is bumped as well."


Er.... No. The 3 volumes are NOT in Near Fine condition. Volume 1 is completely knackered. You can't just add "Except for [INSERT MASSIVE DAMAGE HERE]" to the description "Near Fine", otherwise every book in the world could be classed as Near Fine with some qualifier attached.


It has not split the seams of the case or anything more than wrinkled the rear boards of the book. Unfortunately the shipping damage of this type is quite common, due to the very heavy weight of this set, and the fairly fragile nature of the case.

Seriously, this set is knackered, and it is supposed to be OK because "loads of them are knackered". I have to say that mine turned up undamaged from Book Depository, so they didn't all get bumped in the post!


"A very hard to find set, let alone one with the publishers slipcase."

No, it isn't hard to find. Without the slipcase these are two-a-penny and available cheaply. The slipcased set is still available new, given that this is not the original version of this boxed set. Try Book Depository (USD 224 inc. shipping), Amazon ($241), tolkien.co.uk (RRP GBP 180).


It has not split the seams of the case or anything more than wrinkled the rear boards of the book

As per the pictures, the case and first volume are toast from a collectabilty perspective. There are genuinely two near fine volumes there, plus a slipcase and single volume that are fit for the bin. I understand that seriously damaged books can have value to collectors, especially when genuinely rare, but these aren't rare, despite the claims that they are.


I get irked by dealers playing down faults in books, and some dealers are worse than others, especially for the "near fine, except" trick. I know the pictures are all here in this case, so nothing is being hidden, but why the need for the marketing spin?

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I want to buy a slipcase for my HoMe books.
Someone here could sell to me?


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http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Complete- ... Books&hash=item3ce6e112d1

"THIS IS THE REAL DEAL & WILL NOT LAST. BUY ONE AS AN INVESTMENT, TO READ YOURSELF, OR AS AN AMAZING GIFT!!!"


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Stu,

Please note that the set of HoME that you found fault with my description is no longer listed on my web site. I have notified Beren that they are no longer available. Also, did I miss somewhere where it said 'rare'. I may have said "hard to find", but certainly not rare. At the time they were listed, they were much harder to find then now after many more were issued by Harper Collins.

Dunedain


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dunedain wrote:
Stu,

Please note that the set of HoME that you found fault with my description is no longer listed on my web site. I have notified Beren that they are no longer available. Also, did I miss somewhere where it said 'rare'. I may have said "hard to find", but certainly not rare. At the time they were listed, they were much harder to find then now after many more were issued by Harper Collins.

Dunedain


Thanks - I appreciate you removing the listing, and doing so so promptly.

You are correct about the word "rare" - that was me incorrectly conflating "rare" and "hard to find" in my summary paragraph. As I quoted the text from the advert verbatim, I don't think I misrepresented the spirit of the advert, though (but I should have been more careful in order to avoid hypocrisy!). I do accept what you say, in that the current( 6/5/5) incarnation of the set became briefly unavailable some time back and it seems that co-incided with your listing, which is just unfortunate timing.

I do believe my other two points about the listing were completely valid, especially with regards to description of condition. And I know you put up very good pictures on all your listings (so people can certainly see what they are getting - no argument there), but IMHO the specific words do still matter.

I know book grading can be a contentious subject which no one can agree on, but the definition from the IOBA website reads:

"NEAR FINE: a book approaching FINE (or AS NEW or MINT) but with a couple of very minor defects or faults, which must be noted."

If this were an eBay listing, I firmly do believe it would have been picked up and flagged onto this thread by someone here.

Stu


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Seller: worldofbooks08 (1432533)
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£22.97
What is going on here?

eBay Item #141362932597


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Seller: bookabrak11 (525)
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And this one as well.

eBay Item #171420678822

Sent this message to the seller
"Hi,

I have looked at your pictures, and am surprised to see a 1975 Hobbit with a dust jacket price of 20 shillings. The UK moved to a decimal currency 5 years before the date of this book (1970), my copy is priced at £3.00 in decimal currency. I don't think this is the correct dust jacket for the book, and you may want to mention this.

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To be fair, Trotter, would any seller who describes a book in one sentence, be likely to spot this kind of mis-match? Clearly the jacket is still a third edition jacket; just not a 1975 jacket. I'm guessing this is a c1966-1969 jacket; by 1970 the jackets had both imperial & metric, didn't they?... he asks the man with every impression of The Hobbit...

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Hi Stu,

I just wanted to make a couple of thing clears, this set was sold in July 2012 (and I thought it had been removed from Beren's site at that time) I think it was probably listed in 2011, so there is the reason for not saying it was the later printing box set, as they hadn't been released (I think) when I listed this set. Also I checked back on my listing, and it was described as Good only in the book and dustjacket condition box on the listing software. When it was uploaded to Berens site, it drops all the extra boxes, and only lists the description and title boxes, which I agree it should not have been listed as Near Fine, completely wrong. I guess I took it wrong in that it was two year old listing, and I thought it had been removed from Berens site. I assume since I have not listed any others of these sets since then, he left it up to at least show what the sets looked like (even with the damage). So my apologies

David


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Khamûl wrote:
To be fair, Trotter, would any seller who describes a book in one sentence, be likely to spot this kind of mis-match? Clearly the jacket is still a third edition jacket; just not a 1975 jacket. I'm guessing this is a c1966-1969 jacket; by 1970 the jackets had both imperial & metric, didn't they?... he asks the man with every impression of The Hobbit...

BH


The dust jacket is from the 1966 Hobbit, the seller stated that they used the wrong photo.

The 1970 Hobbit has the price in £.s.d. and decimal currency.

25s. = £1.25p.

Wish I did have all the impressions of The Hobbit, have the most expensive one missing :(



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