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Nov 12 (edited)
2019/11/12 18:12:07 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia

Seller: nellybessy129 (1066)
Ended Nov 18, 2019
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£1,350.00
eBay Item #264529912551

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Nov 12
2019/11/12 22:13:59 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Poor pencil work by Ted too...
Nov 13
2019/11/13 17:09:15 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Yeah.... "ebay" "Tolkien" and "signed" don't mix.
Nov 14
2019/11/14 18:43:11 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Khamûl:
I don't believe this signature is genuine. The sketch also looks like a copy of a known example by a famous Tolkien illustrator.
nellybessy129
Good morning, thank you for your message. May I ask why you think that to be the case please? This book, along with many others had been collected by my late father- he was an ardent book enthusiast with many years experience and therefore I doubt whether the signature isn't correct. Perhaps it would be prudent for me to have it professionally examined? Thank you in any event.
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Nov 14
2019/11/14 18:50:30 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
I have to say that the signature looks consistent with the those on the many, many letters I've received from Christopher over the years.

Recall that Christopher has two different signatures: one he uses for mass signings, and one he uses for letters and personal signings. This is an example of the latter. You've all seen the former, of course.
Nov 14
2019/11/14 19:01:21 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Most people on here have seen the latter too I'd think, Aelfwine; this is how he signed copies in 1977. But I would certainly defer to your experience & better judgement on CT signatures. However the signature, if it's contemporary, is a pretty shaky example I think; it's also unusually positioned within that 1977 copy based on the examples I've seen (or own). That sketch also looks like a copy of the Ted Nasmith sketch that was being sold by TolkienBookshelf/DM (inside a 1998 copy); except this is poorer & unsigned. Ted did this in Moreton in 2008. It looks like a copy of this; the image is widely available online when one seraches for signed copies. And there is no provenance, yet. If there's an interesting story behind this though...
Nov 14
2019/11/14 19:24:55 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia

Khamûl wrote:
However the signature, if it's contemporary, is a pretty shaky example I think; it's also unusually positioned within that 1977 copy based on the examples I've seen (or own).

That was what I felt was wrong with it -- it just didn't seem right for a *1977* signature, due to the extreme shakiness. I didn't agree with Trotter that it didn't *look* anything like a correctly styled signature. I could well believe that is was a signature of a late 80s or 90+ year old, CT, though.

I'd defer to Aelfwine as having vastly more experience, of course, but compared to the signed-at-the-time Silmarillions I have seen (which isn't that many), it doesn't look like I'd expect.
Nov 14
2019/11/14 19:50:19 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
That drawing is the odd thing for me. Why would someone add this to a CT-signed 1977 copy?
Nov 14
2019/11/14 19:55:02 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia

Khamûl wrote:
That drawing is the odd thing for me. Why would someone add this to a CT-signed 1977 copy?

Seems odd. Equally, why would anyone fake both on the same book? Is odd if genuine or fake.
Nov 14
2019/11/14 19:59:52 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Too many red flags for me.

Tbh, having just back-&-forth with the seller, it still seems like a genuine listing (by them personally); I'm not sure if they're going to pull it.
Nov 14
2019/11/14 21:54:09 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
I agree about the (crude) drawing, and I too find the placement of the signature odd; but the signature itself doesn't strike me as an obvious forgery. It could be that somebody thrust the book, opened at that page, and a pen at Christopher Tolkien at some conference, while he was standing and couldn't sign it on a stable surface.

All that being said, even if we accept the signature as genuine, it's not a desirable copy, especially at that price!
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