By Jlong

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2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 3:22:53 AM UTC

I was wondering if any of you might be able to help me decipher whether this excerpt from a Tolkien letter reads "the attempt to meet on Mondays instead of Tuesdays is not wholly successful" or "the attempt to meet on Monday instead of Tuesday is not wholly successful."

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2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 3:54:31 AM UTC

It would help to see more of the letter to get context.

But the previous sentence talks about “weekends” (plural), so following from that, I would assume the words in question are “Mondays” and “Tuesdays”.

Speaking as an amateur with little to no knowledge of Tolkien’s letters and deciphering his handwriting.

Stu

2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 6:50:53 AM UTC

I'm going with singular, but with a better copy of the letter, I might think otherwise.

Deagol

2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 9:30:13 AM UTC

It looks like he has moved from plural to singular halfway through the sentence, so 'Mondays' and 'Tuesday'.

Aelfwine

2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 2:01:54 PM UTC

It reads:

"though ^he is often here at week-ends, the attempt to meet on Mondays instead of Tuesday is not wholly successful."

Trotter

2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 2:44:31 PM UTC

I'd agree with Aelfwine and Deagol, Tolkien did not spend much time on writing the letter s

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2 Jan, 2020 (edited)
2020-1-2 3:23:19 PM UTC

Trotter wrote:
I'd agree with Aelfwine and Deagol, Tolkien did not spend much time on writing the letter s

I agree with Aelfwine also and Trotter's point is one I have seen in many of his letters.

Jlong

2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 4:35:39 PM UTC

Thanks everyone. You guys wouldn't consider that tiny mark/dot after "Tuesday" an "s"?

Deagol

2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 6:52:39 PM UTC

Today, with fresh eyes and after looking at some scans of his letters, I can read it as 'Tuesdays', with the blob on the right arm of the 'y' being the 's'.

From the few examples I could find, his approach to writing 'ys' was variable, presumably depending on whether he was rushing at the time.

Aelfwine

2 Jan, 2020
2020-1-2 11:17:13 PM UTC

Tolkien's word-final "s"-es are often only a curving dip (as in Greek and at times the tengwar) — sometimes even word-internal too — and sometimes a barely-marked appendage. I hope soon to publish something that will illustrate this and many other challenging aspects of Tolkien's handwriting.

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