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New Edition of The Silmarillion to Match?? [Discussion]

Jun 24
2020/6/24 15:53:35 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia

Coming soon, are some new editions of The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and Unfinished Tales which match up - in terms of size dimensions and design style - with The Children of Hurin, Beren and Luthien and The Fall of Gondolin.

However, there's one key book which is not (yet...?) coming out in that style: The Silmarillion.

In 1998, the original edition appeared with 18 illustrations Then, in 2004, a second edition appeared with about 50 illustrations - I think the exact number was 48. There was also a paperback edition in 2008 which had some, but not all, the illustrations - 16 in total.

Due to the various editions, which one would it be? The new editions of The Lord of the Rings appear to be quite similar to the original ones from 1992, in terms of images used as the cover art. Would The Silmarillion be similar to the 1998 edition ('Maglor Casts a Silmaril into the Sea' as the cover, and has 18 illustrations), the 2004 edition ('White Ships to Valinor' as the cover, 48 illustrations) or the 2008 paperback ('Ships of the Faithful' as the cover, 16 illustrations)?

One final thing to bear in mind is this - the editions from 1998 and 2008 featured a mix of paper type (regular for text, photo style for the illustrations), while the 2004 edition was printed entirely on photo paper (like the 2002 illustrated editions of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit from 1997); which allows the capability to include more images. My guess would be that it would essentially be a hardback edition of the 2008 paperback (in terms of images that appear in the book, and cover art, etc)

Just wanted to hopefully put a bug in HarperCollins' ear; or anyone who has good contact with them to bring it up if they wish; that they're missing one title to fully round out 'The Tolkien Illustration Collection, version 2.' I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this.

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Jun 24
2020/6/24 16:23:37 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
We'll just have to wait and see I suppose...
Jun 24
2020/6/24 16:31:36 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Gee my head is spinning trying to follow through all the minutiae 🤯

I’m glad I am only collecting the (so called) deluxe editions besides my black paperbacks of HoME.
Jun 24
2020/6/24 16:34:10 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia

Khamûl wrote:
We'll just have to wait and see I suppose...

Here's hoping it's in the works, as I'm sure it would be very well-received.
Jun 24
2020/6/24 16:37:06 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
My photos didn't get uploaded in the correct order. As they appear on this thread, from top to bottom:

- 2008 paperback edition
- 2004 hardback edition
- 1998 hardback edition
Jun 24
2020/6/24 16:49:20 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Lastly, for the time being, here is a listing of which images appear in which editions:

1998:
(front cover) Maglor casts a Silmaril into the Sea (also in poster collection)
The Sea
The Lamps of the Valar (also in poster collection)
At Lake Cuivienen
The Light of the Valinor on the Western Sea
Fingolfin Leads the host Across the Helcaraxre
The First Dawn of the Sun
Maedhros's Rescue From Thangorodrim
Eoel Welcomes Aredhel
Felagund Among Beor's Men
By Moonlight in Neldoreth Forest
Luthien Escapes Upon Huan
Morgoth Punishes Hurin
Turin and his band are led to Amon Rudh
Finduilas is Led past Turin at the Sack of Nargothrond
Ulmo Appears before Tuor
Earendil the Mariner
The Eagles of Manwe
The Ships of the Faithful
(back cover) Beren and Luthien are Flown to Safety

2004 '2nd' edition:
The Sea
The Lamp of the Valar
Aule Prepares to Destroy His Children
At Lake Cuivien
The Light of the Valinor on the Western Sea
The Ships of the Teleri Drawn by Swans
The Kinslaying of Alqualonde
Fingolfin Leads the Host Across the Helacraxe
The First Dawn of the Sun
The Burning of the Ships (also used on spine)
Maedhros' Rescue From Thangorodrim
The Gates of Sirion
Eol Welcomes Aredhel
Eol is Led to the Walls
Felagund among Beor's Men
Fingolfin's Wrath
The Orc-Host is Ambushe din Brethil
Tarn Aeluin
By Moonlight in Neldoreth Forest
Luthien Escapes Upon Huan
Transformed
Beren ad Luthien are Carried to Safety
Huan's Leap
Morgoth Punishes Hurin
The Hill of Slain
Saeros' Fatal Leap
Turin and His Band Are Led to Amon Rudh
Beleg is Slain
Turin Bears Gwindor to Safety
Finduilas is Led past Turin at the Sack of Nargothrond
Turin Reaches the Abandoned Homestead
Up the Rainy Stair (also used as back cover)
Hurin Finds Morwen
Tuor Follows the Swans to Vinyamar
Ulmo Appears before Tuor
Tuor and Voronwe see Turin at the Pools of Ivrin
The Escape From Gondolin (Flight of the Doomed on Ted's website)
Maglor Casts a Silmaril into the Sea
Earendil the Mariner
White Shaps From Valinor (also used on front cover)
The eagles of Manwe
Tar-Miriel and the Great Wave
The Ships of the Faithful
The Forging of the One
The White Tree

2008 paperback:
The Sea
The Light of the Valinor on the Western Sea
Fingolfin Leads the host Across the Helcaraxre
The Burning of the Ships
The Gates of Sirion
The Orc-Host is Ambushed in Brethil
By Moonlight in Neldoreth Forest
Luthien Escapes Upon Huan
The Hill of Slain
Turin and his band are led to Amon Rudh
Turin Reaches the Abandoned Homestead
Up the Rainy Stair
Tuor Follows the swans to Vinyamar
Tuor and Voronwe see Turin at the Pools of Ivrin
White Ships to Valinor
The Ships of the Faithful (also used on front cover and spine)
Jun 24
2020/6/24 19:30:18 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Thanks for putting that list of illustrations together, insurrbution.
Jun 25
2020/6/25 11:50:50 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
We’ve seen now the release of the boxed set of LotR + H. I’d like to see in future a matching set with Silmarillion relevant content (Great Tales 1,2,3 + Sil).
As a 3rd set I could imagine UT and Nature of ME. This would be a great boxed middle earth edition...
Jun 25
2020/6/25 14:14:46 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Bearing in mind that I don't think The Nature of Middle-earth will be illustrated like all the others, though, I could be wrong. But I would be surprised if it were. I can see it containing images like those found in The History of Middle-earth and The History of The Hobbit books.
Jun 25
2020/6/25 14:25:34 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia

insurrbution wrote:
Bearing in mind that I don't think The Nature of Middle-earth will be illustrated like all the others, though, I could be wrong. But I would be surprised if it were. I can see it containing images like those found in The History of Middle-earth and The History of The Hobbit books.

I definitely don't want that book illustrated, I want manuscript images.
Jun 25
2020/6/25 15:00:09 (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time, London, Dublin, Lisbon, Casablanca, Monrovia
Same here, with the manuscript pages/images. The type of image I was referring to by naming The History of Middle-earth and The History of The Hobbit. We'll see! Also curious if the design style will be similar to that as The History of Middle-earth (as 3 books), The History of The Hobbit (as 1 book) and the Hammond & Scull boxed set.

either way, looking forward to more info, once it's allowed to surface.
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