Okay, no caveat then. At this price point that leather is not going to be of any great quality. And at this size of print run, this isn't going to be a leather-bound book of any great quality in a binding sense.

I don't believe any of that is speculation.

Also, ribs. Why is nobody talking about those non-existent ribs?

Khamûl: "our focus in avoiding speculation was primarily aimed at a single specific user"

That's pretty much my exact point. Sauce for the goose....

Take your point on consistency, Aelfwine. Which is the simple point you're making.

Is it really speculation to suggest the leather isn't of any great quality here though?

Aelfwine wrote:

Khamûl: "our focus in avoiding speculation was primarily aimed at a single specific user"

That's pretty much my exact point. Sauce for the goose....

Sure, but that user speculated *continuously* (multiple times a day in some cases). We didn't mind the odd bit of speculation, but we were unable to educate him as to reasonable bounds. That's no longer an issue. Sometimes rules have a degree of flex. Also, there is no obligation for TCG to be totally consistent and follow identical rules at all times. We have to use our judgement and common sense.

Khamûl wrote:

Also, ribs. Why is nobody talking about those non-existent ribs?

Yeah, I'd really have liked to see those more pronounced.

Okay, to bring this back on topic then. It's not unreasonable to ask what exactly I'm paying £100+ for here? I haven't bought the deluxe yet because I'm not convinced this is value for money. Production issues aside (those books are not as intended), most of the focus online is about the look of these editions i.e. the design. Which is interesting, although subjective. But in 20-30 years time is this going to be like a 90's HC edition today? This matters to me.

Stu wrote:

Khamûl wrote:

Also, ribs. Why is nobody talking about those non-existent ribs?

Yeah, I'd really have liked to see those more pronounced.

Fixed it for ya.

HMmmmmmmmmmm.... ribs.

Khamûl wrote:

Okay, to bring this back on topic then. It's not unreasonable to ask what exactly I'm paying £100+ for here? I haven't bought the deluxe yet because I'm not convinced this is value for money. Production issues aside (those books are not as intended), most of the focus online is about the look of these editions i.e. the design. Which is interesting, although subjective. But in 20-30 years time is this going to be like a 90's HC edition today? This matters to me.

I don't think anyone will look back at this edition and consider it especially groundbreaking or important, either from a design or implementation perspective. I think it will be held up with same level of interest/disinterest as that red HMH one-volume leather (leatherette?) edition.

I think it is important to say that - assuming you don't get a dud - it isn't total crap (so far as I can discern). It is just very mediocre for the money.