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Tips for acquiring a HarperCollins Deluxe Children of Hurin

Tips for acquiring a HarperCollins Deluxe Children of Hurin

Mar 2

Hello all,

First time poster here.

After waiting far too long to jump into the pool of Deluxe Tolkien editions published by HarperCollins, I settled on finding a boxed set of The Hobbit, LOTR, The Silmarillion, and The Children of Hurin. I was fortunate in finding one in (mostly) excellent condition. The Hobbit, LOTR, and Silmarillion are all in great shape, but The CoH has a couple of minor things that may compel me to find a substitute.

I'm only interested in a copy printed in Italy. However, no matter how many times within the past week or so that I've written sellers on various sites (Ebay, Ebay UK, Amazon, Amazon UK, etc.) enquiring as to where the book is printed, the only feedback I receive consists of "We're sorry, but we can't check the book for you, since it's at a warehouse," often followed by "Your best bet is to contact the publisher." (Actually, one person did provide me with a different response. It was "We checked, and the book was indeed published in the United Kingdom." My followup didn't receive a reply...)

Thus, I figured it wouldn't hurt to get some tips from true authorities in the field. I understand that there were many Italian printings of CoH (which is what I'm looking for), but later copies were printed in... Hong Kong, I believe?

Thanks for any and all assistance!
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Mar 6

Not strictly true, as CoH & S&G got deluxes that were broadly similar to the HC ones (and also printed by LEGO).


Stu, which ones are these?
Mar 6
These ones...

(and I meant to say S&G was printed by Clays. CoH was LEGO).

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Mar 6
Oh ok, so not printed in china?I havn't got S&G
Mar 6
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Paulies wrote:
Oh ok, so not printed in china?I haven't got S&G


Nope, not China. They only had one print, so far as I am aware, and certainly S&G got remaindered. I paid less than $5 for it a few years ago. No idea what the print run was, but for CoH, it was 25,000 copies.

Edit: 10,000 copies as correctly pointed out by Berelach.

FWIW, the S&G is slightly thinner than the HC version, both in terms of the book and slipcase.
Mar 6

Urulókë wrote:
Dang, you are right. I blocked those from my memory.


To be fair, they are quite forgettable!
It seems like he has tarnished his own reputation by writing some unscrululous postings before, coupled with several previous sales that have been very questionable.

However, I don't think we are in the position to completely discard his practice as he did make some blockbuster sales including all-three-inscribed copies of the 1st Ed. 1st. Imp Lord of the Rings and some notable copies have traded hands under his premise.

The_Antiquarian wrote:
It seems like he has tarnished his own reputation by writing some unscrululous postings before, coupled with several previous sales that have been very questionable.

However, I don't think we are in the position to completely discard his practice as he did make some blockbuster sales including all-three-inscribed copies of the 1st Ed. 1st. Imp Lord of the Rings and some notable copies have traded hands under his premise.


My apologies Dogfark that is.
Mar 6
Without trying to point fingers at (or compare to) any particular seller, I don't think "the broken clock is precisely right twice a day" is an argument in favor of it being a good clock.

In a similar but distinct vein, the "sellers" on Amazon and AbeBooks that create phantom listings for thousands of dollars, then try to find a cheap copy (or cancel the deal if they cannot) when someone actually falls for the listing, does not make them a good bookseller either even though they have an amazing profit margin.
Mar 6
For my mind, you only need to look at Dogfark's own pictures of his 3rd impression Hobbit and how that copy's dustjacket became more and more apparently complete (albeit in bits) in each subsequent listing, to say "That's a broken clock I'm not even going to trust to be correct twice a day". His own photographs have condemned him, and if one book so blatantly doesn't pass the sniff test, why would I ever trust that seller for any other? I guess he assumed to one would save off each of his adverts and/or notice...

Urulókë wrote:
Without trying to point fingers at (or compare to) any particular seller, I don't think "the broken clock is precisely right twice a day" is an argument in favor of it being a good clock.

In a similar but distinct vein, the "sellers" on Amazon and AbeBooks that create phantom listings for thousands of dollars, then try to find a cheap copy (or cancel the deal if they cannot) when someone actually falls for the listing, does not make them a good bookseller either even though they have an amazing profit margin.


I absolutely agree, but having dealt with the so called "most established" rare book sellers including Bauman, Raptis, Peter Harrington, Maggs Bros, and George Bayntun, Dogfark can be some what aggressive in practice, but I fail to see how he has went out of bound when dealing in books. I see these established rare book stores buying hundreds of books for mere hundreds of dollars and reselling them for 10x to 20x folds of the initial purchase pricing. Being a former public accountant, I do not see any illegalities or injustice done by doing so.

Dogfark is not as charming as David Miller of Tolkienbookshelf and yes, he is aloof and awkward at times, but he has made some blockbuster sales ranging from tens of thousands of dollars to a single sale that delves around $110,000. Having dealt with him before, he has tendency to disregard those who are not willing to spend a significant sum, but that doesn't mean he is a scammer or an unscrupulous seller.
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